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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:33 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
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I'd like to know exactly what he plans on doing to fight his way into the senior team and why he didn't do those things this year.


Jeez Rhines , he could hardly have done anymore . I actually like that persistent attitude .................and i am neither here nor there about Paddy .


Where I'm coming from is what he was doing this season clearly wasn't working. Not sooking it up doesn't give you a game. Getting 30 touched at 40% efficiency doesn't get you a game. When you do finally get a game, ball watching doesn't keep you in the side. Refusing to apply any defensive pressure at all doesn't keep you in the side.
So the question remains. What's he going to do in 2023 and why didn't he do it in 2022?
If anyone offers anything decent take it and run.
Unfortunately, this is how I see Paddy now, too.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree with mick and BV in the sense that it's nice that he has a good attitude and wants to work his way into the team. But I just don't see it anymore.

Would love to be proven wrong though.

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I will add that I see their point too but that isn't enough. It would be fair to say the coaching staff gave him clear instructions what was expected of him. The fact they chose to not play him would suggest he failed to meet those expectations. On the 2 occasions he was given an opportunity, he was dropped the following week showing he didn't take his opportunity when given.
He's had his chances. Times up I'm afraid.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:18 pm 
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regarding Dow how can you play a game of football and not lay 1 tackle . TRADE HIM


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:18 pm 
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We finished 9 th
So how to get better from here
The risk to hanging onto players because of improved overall average years is obviously a risk
But everything has risk
I personally disagree giving O’ Brien 2 years
In 5 hasn’t done enough
One for mine
To offer Dow a one year deal is staggering to me given what he has shown in 5
Often this applies to players who were highly ranked juniors. Sometimes you just get it wrong

Ed Curnow times up
Looks like we will use our best picks to get a mature player 3 years running
Therefore it’s fair to say the club believes it’s window is now

One thing that is not overlooked but glossed over to some degree is the other teams
It’s no surprise the Crows beat us
I reckon their rebuild so far has been excellent
The Hawks ditto
Port under achieved
The GC are moving in the right direction
Our lack of depth is partly due to the ordinary recruiting 3 to 5 years ago
No apologies for bringing it up again
Our top end talent just about the best there is but too much dead wood on the list
No depth when you miss on top 10 picks trade away picks and recruit players on ridiculous pay packets
Over too long contracts
Our skill level is way behind the better teams
Part of this is system
Part is player’s ability
Bottom line is proof is in the pudding
The next 2 years will be telling
The club doesn’t have a great history when it comes to admitting it’s faults when it comes to List Management


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:29 pm 
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Dow is contracted.

He hasn’t been offered anything that wasn’t already his.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:07 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Dow is contracted.

He hasn’t been offered anything that wasn’t already his.

That’s incorrect from my understanding
He was contracted till the end of 2022 but during this year it was extended by one year


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Bottom line is proof is in the pudding


The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

There is no proof in the pudding.

There never was.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:24 pm 
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Sometimes the proof is ON the pudding though... Preferably at least 80 proof!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:09 pm 
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keogh wrote:
We finished 9 th
So how to get better from here
The risk to hanging onto players because of improved overall average years is obviously a risk
But everything has risk
I personally disagree giving O’ Brien 2 years
In 5 hasn’t done enough
One for mine
To offer Dow a one year deal is staggering to me given what he has shown in 5
Often this applies to players who were highly ranked juniors. Sometimes you just get it wrong

Ed Curnow times up
Looks like we will use our best picks to get a mature player 3 years running
Therefore it’s fair to say the club believes it’s window is now

One thing that is not overlooked but glossed over to some degree is the other teams
It’s no surprise the Crows beat us
I reckon their rebuild so far has been excellent
The Hawks ditto
Port under achieved
The GC are moving in the right direction
Our lack of depth is partly due to the ordinary recruiting 3 to 5 years ago
No apologies for bringing it up again
Our top end talent just about the best there is but too much dead wood on the list
No depth when you miss on top 10 picks trade away picks and recruit players on ridiculous pay packets
Over too long contracts
Our skill level is way behind the better teams
Part of this is system
Part is player’s ability
Bottom line is proof is in the pudding
The next 2 years will be telling
The club doesn’t have a great history when it comes to admitting it’s faults when it comes to List Management


Who’s the mature player?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:11 pm 
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If we’re looking for a mature aged winner, I’d have a chat to Edwards. Proven goal kicker from a winning culture

Thanks CK, flowering autocorrect


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:13 pm 
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so he's like ó hailpín then?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:44 pm 
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GWS wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bottom line is proof is in the pudding


The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

There is no proof in the pudding.

There never was.



#moshecalled
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:28 am 
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keogh wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Dow is contracted.

He hasn’t been offered anything that wasn’t already his.

That’s incorrect from my understanding
He was contracted till the end of 2022 but during this year it was extended by one year

What ? Which means he has a contract. Doesn't it ?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am 
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regarding Dow how can you play a game of football and not lay 1 tackle . TRADE HIM


That doesnt read well at all....True? If true, hat says passenger to me.

He might know he has one preseason left to improve his running and learn to lay a tackle to make it as an AFL player.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:57 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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regarding Dow how can you play a game of football and not lay 1 tackle . TRADE HIM


That doesnt read well at all....True? If true, hat says passenger to me.

He might know he has one preseason left to improve his running and learn to lay a tackle to make it as an AFL player.

The first question I would ask is, does he have an injury?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:00 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
jpulice1969 wrote:
regarding Dow how can you play a game of football and not lay 1 tackle . TRADE HIM


That doesnt read well at all....True? If true, hat says passenger to me.

He might know he has one preseason left to improve his running and learn to lay a tackle to make it as an AFL player.


If he's at least attempting tackles then it's not as bad as it reads. Send him to the Storm for a few tackling sessions.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:02 am 
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Re Dow, I thought he was given a 2 year deal last year?
In any event, reading between the lines, I think they would be happy to trade him out but if no takers, we'll keep him on the list. I'm not particularly fussed about this either way.

I also thought I heard that we have committed to getting back into the draft this year?
AS things stand we have Pick 10 and I'm hoping we keep that. I'd also love to find a way to get another top 20 pick and I'd hang onto notional pick 28 too. From there, I'm not fussed if we trade a bit.


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Do we have any room in the Cap to have a go at getting Jacob Hopper????

His addition would make one hell of a midfield.

And failing Hopper, I still hope we are having some quiet chats with Grundy.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Dow is contracted.

He hasn’t been offered anything that wasn’t already his.

That’s incorrect from my understanding
He was contracted till the end of 2022 but during this year it was extended by one year



Contract was extended "some time ago" as of May.

Quote:
He was contracted to the end of this year but added an extra season to his deal some time ago tying him to the Blues until the end of 2023.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/758506/club ... ade-target

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:48 am 
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keogh wrote:
One thing that is not overlooked but glossed over to some degree is the other teams
It’s no surprise the Crows beat us
I reckon their rebuild so far has been excellent
The Hawks ditto


Crows Top 20 picks of recent-

Pick 6. Josh Rachele
Pick 2. Riley Thilthorpe
Pick 11. Luke Pedlar
6. Fischer McAsey
9. Chayce Jones.
16. Ned McHenry
12. Darcy Fogarty
15. Jordan Galluci
11. Wayne Milera
17. Tom Doedee

What is it of that lot that really does it for you?
In that time they also traded a couple of first rounders for your old mate Brycey boy.
If Carlton served up that rubbish, you'd be all over them. But no, the Crows rebuild has been excellent.
They beat us because we played poorly and their 3 best players on the day were 2 x 32 year olds and a scrapper who's skills are sub AFL level.

We had the younger team in 17 of our 22 games this season. Better than any of the other top 12 sides.
I'd suggest our rebuild is far better than Adelaide's or Hawthorn's. But hey, I'm an optimist. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:13 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
One thing that is not overlooked but glossed over to some degree is the other teams
It’s no surprise the Crows beat us
I reckon their rebuild so far has been excellent
The Hawks ditto


Crows Top 20 picks of recent-

Pick 6. Josh Rachele
Pick 2. Riley Thilthorpe
Pick 11. Luke Pedlar
6. Fischer McAsey
9. Chayce Jones.
16. Ned McHenry
12. Darcy Fogarty
15. Jordan Galluci
11. Wayne Milera
17. Tom Doedee

What is it of that lot that really does it for you?
In that time they also traded a couple of first rounders for your old mate Brycey boy.
If Carlton served up that rubbish, you'd be all over them. But no, the Crows rebuild has been excellent.
They beat us because we played poorly and their 3 best players on the day were 2 x 32 year olds and a scrapper who's skills are sub AFL level.

We had the younger team in 17 of our 22 games this season. Better than any of the other top 12 sides.
I'd suggest our rebuild is far better than Adelaide's or Hawthorn's. But hey, I'm an optimist. :thumbsup:


Nice one BV.

Nice to have the reality check.

Its easy to make big statements without backing them up.

The only one I like from that list is Rachele, but he's only played half a season, so lets see how he goes.

Otherwise, Crows really need for half a dozen of those listed to make it, or they are in big trouble.

I don't think the Crows beat us in Pitto's return game, but rather we gave it to them on a platter...maybe overconfident, or feeling the pinch of Hewett out injured. Regardless, we put in a weak effort.

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