Sticks: The Grand Illusion / MLG: Use Your Illusion II?

Freddy47 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 275

DocSherrin wrote:

Siegfried wrote:

You can always bank on St Kilda (and Richmond) for out-hopelessing us. Long may it continue.

I'm not convinced that's the case anymore. I've been very impressed with Brendan Gale over the last 18 months. If you go back to summer 2011, the Tigers were bereft of a major sponsor. Luxbet and Dick Smith decided to reduce their $ commitment to the Tigers - but Gale has proven himself to be one of the more astute CEO's. Jeep were signed for 3 years - ME Bank became naming rights holders to the training facility and within 18 months, the Fighting Tiger Fund had cleared ALL of the clubs' $6million debt. They set up specific marketing and branding for the Fighting Tiger Fund and used it on all correspondence during the year.

...In case you skipped over that last bit - Richmond set up a fund, aimed to clear a debt of $6million and accomplished that inside 18 months. True Story.

Over the last 12 months they've also established a 'Board Nominations Committee' - responsible for considering and advising the Board on matters relating to the appointment of directors.

Specifically, the Board Nominations Committee establishes a transparent and formal procedure to identify individuals who are qualified to become Board members. The process ensures that at all times, the Board comprises those most suited to adequately discharge its responsibilities and duties.

The board also took it upon themselves to engage the services of the Hay Group to review the operation of the existing Board as a whole (and its individual members) to ensure that the Board is well placed to achieve its stated objectives in the most effective and efficient manner.

Its four members are Emmett Dunne (Chair), / Assistant Commissioner Victoria Police Ethical Standards Department &
Member of the AFL Tribunal 1993 to present; Ms Henriette Rothschild, (General Manager of Hay Group Pacific. Works with Boards and executive teams in the corporate and NFP sector on organisational change, board effectiveness and executive capability);
Mr Michael Green, (Practised as a solicitor 1970-1995; Played in 1967, 1969, 1973 and 1974 premierships). Maurice O’Shannassy
(Club Vice President)...

I believe Hawthorn also have an advisory group to the Board in place. These clubs have their house in order. So why don't we? It's not difficult. It's just about putting the right processes in place to keep everyone honest to the role they undertook in the first place. It leaves little room for complacency.

Richmond have definately gone past us as far as off-field competency in the last two years.

This years membership numbers:
Carlton - 45,800
Richmond - 53,027

Whose responsible?

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Agree with Doc and Freddy -

About 5 years ago I proposed a similar advisory committee to CFC board on the basis of the Hawthorn model so that there would be a greater pool of potential board members and we just wouldnt get board members from the existing cliques that control the club - even offered to be the secretary of that committee if that would help to get it off the ground - still waiting for a response

PS Know Brendan Gale and not surprising that he is doing a good job with the tigers - smart presentable and good delegator

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Funny, after we got pumped by North, and then Richmond lost to GC, Teddy sent me an sms saying something to the effect that 'you can always rely on Richmond to take the heat off you'.

But I agree Doc, Richmond seems to be getting its act together in a serious way. We just continue to rely on the misfortune of thousands of gambling addicts.

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2862

Maybe Talking Carlton should put a ticket together to challenge the current board? :fight:

He says only half joking...

Donstuie · **Posted:** Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:49 pm

I nominate tommi!

Freddy47 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:17 pm **Posts:** 275

Siegfried wrote:

Maybe Talking Carlton should put a ticket together to challenge the current board? :fight:

He says only half joking...

Couldn't do any worse.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17892

That's the slogan of the Carlton board

"It could be worse"

tommi · **Posted:** Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:39 am

Donstuie wrote:

I nominate tommi!

IIIIII'LL DO it.........

whatta the hours.........?

kindest regards tommi

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6345

Thanks Doc for the insight on how the Tigers are going about it.
To me this is what must happen at Carlton. It is what we desperately need.
An advisery committee to make sure the right people are on the board so the club is run properly.

It hasnt functioned properly for over a decade. Actually longer, but it has become more obvious with the change in the game.
We are in debt, but unlike Richmond we arnt being proactive enough in wiping it.

And now we have to find more money to pay Ratten and other staff out.

The Pratts and Sticks have to go.

I get the feeling that the MM deal is the last roll of the dice.

If he doesnt get us far on 3 million dollars then surely thats it for the board.

Thats the paradox with people who have too much power.
They end up having no idea how much damage they can do because they arnt held accountable.
Eventually the damage becomes so long and vast that people rebel.

Whether its political power or money tangible power.

If things are [REDACTED] up for so long change does happen.
The thing is that change should have happened years earlier.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when MM fronts the board for his monthly review.

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

Bump

Now that the Sticks is seeking re-election, a timely revisit.

Bookie · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:54 am

Sure the Tigers might pay off debt and sign up members, but Ruffy Geminder has us winning four flags of the next seven, in his "20 by 20" ambition.

Other candidates talk about how they have increased Footy department spending to the top quartile in the AFL , (guys that aint hard when you sack the coach and assistants and pay them for a year doing nothing). Yep spending up and team goes from finals to not even close.

These guys don't want to pay off the debt so they can own the club like a rich kids toy.

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

my two cents wrote:

Bump

Now that the Sticks is seeking re-election, a timely revisit.

I'd like to think there's a decent protest vote, I know I certainly didn't vote for him.

Just aware how many bogan nuffies will remember the 87 premiership captain and that bloke who sung Stand By Your Man and vote accordingly...

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

I'm just pleased to see there's a vote !

bondiblue · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:33 pm

my two cents wrote:

Bump

Now that the Sticks is seeking re-election, a timely revisit.

Well I hope he starts acting like a strong President and make a statement about the pathetic comments made in the media about the Carlton penalties 10 years ago...something about being made an examp[le of rather than the penalty fitting the crime and the fact that Collins went to the AFL for leniency like the Crows forfeited their draft picks proactively.

I hate the fact we sit here and take the punches in the media 10 years after the AFL flattened us...fight back you weak prick...tell them whose boss of the Carlton brand!!!

Have a look at Eddie. Any wrong word about his club and he's up for it sticking up for the team...we have a piss weak bunch of pansies at the helm...fight back would you.

GWS · **Posted:** Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:52 pm

I wish he'd just @#$%&! right off.

my two cents · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:28 pm **Posts:** 572

Bookie wrote:

These guys don't want to pay off the debt so they can own the club like a rich kids toy.

The thought did cross my mind. I am tempted to think it is apathy and incompetence.

Agree GWS. FFS Sticks, you are not the solution to the ills rather the cause.

camel · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:14 pm

GWS wrote:

I wish he'd just !@#$%& right off.

This is sad.

Can't say I disagree with your position GWS, it's just sad that there's enough disquiet growing that we'd even dare to think such things about a bloke like Sticks. I realise he's probably playing the sentiment card to his advantage, and that's equally as sad.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:45 pm

Sticks is a footballer with nothing overly impressive going on in the iq stakes.. yet this footy club in its wisdom has allowed him to be an integral part of our administration for around 15 years.

Its amazing!!!!

The Pratt stimulus gave things an impression the club was going well.

Cant be serous when people believe Sticks was the answer.. and even had the constitution changed for him to stay longer.

Im hoping someone else calls the shots next year... even if Sticks bargained for another year "to prove himself"

I also wonder what Sticks wants to do after his term as president is up.
Will he want to continue on serving the club from within ???

Id like him to pack his golf clubs and move away from the club before others use him as a magnet for their own ambitions

Sticks ... seriously mate!!!,,, you have had a golden run.. and you have always come up short... except in height....give it away!!!!

Let the club begin a new era without you.....!!..

You just dont cut the mustard!!!

mikkey · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm **Posts:** 4129

That is the sad thing. Top footballer, great captain, nice bloke to have a beer with. But does not cut the mustard to run a football club.

The_Wookie · **Joined:** Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:52 am **Posts:** 1197

Freddy47 wrote:

This years membership numbers:
Carlton - 45,800
Richmond - 53,027

Whose responsible?

Ah yeah but check the revenue figures on that and it tells a different story. Close to 9 million for the Blues, just over 5 million for the Tigers. We flogged them for revenue 46 million to 37 million - and they included the 6 million from the Fighting Tiger Fund. Without the fund they go under by 3 million. Remember that. Maybe the Blues need a big fundraiser.

As i have too much time on my hands, feast your vile jellies on this and tell me the board is doing a bad job, and try to do it with a straight face:

I defy anyone to look at the figures from 2008 on (when Sticks took over) and tell me The Skipper and the board arent on the right track.

These annual reports are all bundled neatly into a zip file for your delectation and can be retrieved ay http://www.worldofwookie.com/carlton/carltonreports.rar.

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