There is a games limit on the rookie extension & Boyd is past that figure.

My guess is that Boyd has already been moved to the primary list, as we had a vacancy going into the season.

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Oh fair enough. So currently we have 3 senior spots available then ? And rookie spots.

I dont think this is the last of them - probably 2 to 3 more will go after trade period if not before

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Gonna need a month's supply of mentos for my breath if it happens

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Did you know Owies kicked 33 goals this year. Only two small fwds kicked more than 40 (Toby Green and Tyson Stengle). Only 7 small fwds kicked more goals than him. Why are we not offering him a decent contract. Yes I know he has weaknesses but he hits the scoreboard.

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Nick Hayes will be 33 in May
Undersized key position player
Looks like he will come
Does this club ever learn
Rather put the time into Lemmey

I agree and while I also rate small Durdin when he's fit and in form, if I had to choose between them both on the same money, I'd go Owies all other things being equal. (Durdin was AFL's leading F50 tackler at a recent times in his career, earlier this year or last year, Owies a better goal kicker and goal assist, IMHO)

I guess all other things are not equal and CFC are making big offers to bigger name small forwards and figure they need to free up a position and free up salary and Oweis is more like for like with a star-value small forward from some other club (god know other clubs like Hawks and Cats seem to be able find them in the rough in addition to the players with reputations as big as Papley, Charlie Cameron, Bobby Hill, Toby Green etc.

How did Hawks manage to scream past us in their rebuild so easily and grabbing elite draft recruits who could play the small forward role from day one along the way?

i think it was dermott that said a scarecrow could kick 40 goals a season in our forwardline with H and charles.


i honestly think we're going to chase a proper small forward. that's the only thing that makes sense not to sign owies. cfc must think theres better out there and they're gettable.

Story on SEN: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/13/blues-delist-five-including-talented-but-injury-prone-trio/

Story on CFC website: https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1653302/carlton-confirms-list-changes

Seems like the only logical explanation. Owies bleeds blue and according to reports in media he's been asked to cool his jets on a new contract all season. Reportedly due to list management salary cap issues/congestion, Campo twins etc.

If I was a player in Owies' shoes, I would read that as take a look around given CFC signed Weiters, H, Charlie etc on long-term (record breaking at the time) big money contracts for 6-8 seasons.

For such a loyal servant who's show more match fitness and form consistency than most of our list, let alone our designated forwards, I think this is pretty rough treatment. What can I say, AFL is a capitalist's nursery these days, and all that club loyalty rhetoric is as the late great Ron Barrasie said without a hint of irony at the time (paraphrasing) "loyalty needs to become a transferable commodity".

Maybe Dermott hasn't seen how few times H and Charlie tap incoming kicks to the advantage of our front and centre* smalls rather than go for the speckie? But he's a legend forward with good footy IQ (if a weirdo in the EQ department) and I'm a nothing so I'll take his word for it.

* those of the carnies who play front and centre that is. as far as I can tell watching replays that doesn't include many of them, especially but not limited to Motlop who prefers to lurk out the back for that one in ten occasion that it deflects out the back clean enough for him to take, spin and goal. looks good when he does it, only happens once in three games.

A friend of mine is a bestie of SOS's wife Jo… midseason of '95 my friend reported to me that SOS told Jo, who told my friend that which team wins the flag is so much down to injuries of key players for those teams with a decent chance based on form & list.

Even then when there was more difference between lists in the top 12, one or two big injuries to important players can kill even the best team's the flag hopes. We had Walsh, Weiters, Charlie and H, Cerra all playing under significant (not minor) duress or coming back from injury for most of the year. We did pretty well until the wheels fell off I think, all things considered. I'm not papering over the coaching/tactical/strategic gaps in our game plan and playing list. Just stating facts.

Binns, Ollie & potentially first season Ben Campo also on the wings… it's filling up for wing spots. Walsh to mobile half forward with rotations into the centre square like last year?

Yep that's fair

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I'm an Owies fan and I hope he gets a contract But I don't believe he plays the same role as Durdin, Motlop or Fogarty. About 1/3 of Owies possessions come from marks compared to around 10% for Fogarty so he plays more of a marking forwards role. I'm not sure that's a priority for us. Especially if JSOS or TDK come back into the front half as the relieving ruck. It would be a poorly balanced structure IMHO.
Motlop needs to improve his output but he actually has very similar career stats to Owies. Yet he's nearly 7 years younger.

I'd prioritise Durdin and Fogarty in the front half if there are only 2 small forward roles. Fogarty has high footy IQ and Durdin can become a high performing small forward IMO, if his body gives him a run at it. Motlop and Owies fight the remaining list spot for me.

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I'd say our midfield has two general types (or type-classes to use coding jargon that describes similar types in one umbrella term). I'm including our designated wings like Ollie here.

"Inside" mids
Powerful and/or taller mids — while being not so quick:
Cripps, Hewitt & Kennedy. VFL level: Lord,
p.s. Kennedy is longer training with the mids, he moved to forwards group midseason as I understand it.
p.p.s. Former mids of this general type: Dow, Setters.

"Outside" mids
Mids with elite endurance plus good-to-elite level sprint speed and/or disposal skills under pressure:
Walsh, Cerra, Ollie, Cottrell (more for his tank than elite disposal).
p.s. former players Stoker who didn't seem to bother Cripps that much as a hard tag in Round 24.

Hard to categorise mids:
Blake Acres and Binns. Acres is a mix of powerful, endurance, sprint and sometime elite, sometimes rat-shit level disposal skills. Haven't seen enough of Binns to know other than an endurance king with a bit of toughness and clutch about him.

Hewitt has shown good disposal, ball use, decision making, positioning in transition and kicks into the F50 this season, playing in what appears to be a kind of backup Patrick Cripps role so if Cripps is blanketed in a tag, he gives off to Hewitt or lets Hewitt contest and hangs off to receive. The stoppage one-two efforts of Cripps & Hewitt became very nice to watch by season's end and somewhat made up for the lack of Crippa-Walsh chains this season. So he's sort of bridged to have a bit more outside potential about him. The good teams have more than one dual-category mids like this, think of Sydeny, Giants and Hawks.

Early on in season I don't think the coaches were giving Hewitt the right roles (too defensive focused) for him to show his strengths. So Hewitt is a bit of both types. Crippa improved his speed out of the contest and his goal kicking this season so he bridged some of the gap to the Walshy type of players. The good teams have lots of mids who can play defence and contest and then when the team wins a clear possession switch in a moment to becoming good offensive players able to get in front of or flanking the ball movement.

I hope this off-season and pre-season give Walsh the opportunity he needs to return to full fitness and form. I live in hope, he's so important to our team synergy, something that abandoned us since the Giants game.

Of the delisted players, I would have loved to see Martin, Cunners and Marchie all play a full season at their peak potential — but we can't wait forever, Cripps, H and Charlie will be getting old if we wait on these players two more seasons to get it right. Of course I'll spew and say we never should have delisted any of them who perform at AFL level at another club. (None of our previous delistings e.g. Levi (big tofu) have so I'm not too worried about that)

all recruiters are saying the talent in the draft is deep and almost next level for mids — if we don't get at least one goodie I'll be disappointed. Sick of seeing other teams get amazing kids who can play AFL, week in week out, after just one or two years in the system while our kids struggle to get a run or perform when they come in for injured "first pick" players.

We need to recruit either an elite level mid or a Wizard quality small forward in this years draft IMHO. Or a possibly an excellent KFB to develop over time for Weiter's sake, but I think this is the year to go for a mid given where our picks land and low likelihood of trading up. Unless we get something great for a contracted player I guess. Wont name names b/c its merely speculation.

(Trade potential of contracted players also makes Owies being uncontracted even more concerning to me).

If Martin plays 15 games next year at the level he is capable of in another AFL team then its a Congressional Inditement level stain on our football program (and playing surface maybe) and recruiting team.

Joe Berry with first pick perhaps...I'd be fine with that.

What contract would you put to him?

I couldn’t go more than 2 x $300k, and I’m buying what Derm is selling, fwiw.

Fogarty - daylight - Fantasia - raffle the rest. I’d rather hold five forwards & play a tagger or 2nd ruck or even a loose behind the ball, than split hairs over a second small forward.

If Owies was capable of playing 90%, or getting 20 touches, or a mismatch at the stoppages… different story altogether.

Fair enough, the others don’t have those numbers next to their names either. Their days may be numbered. But, if the roles were reversed, I’d fancy their chances of racking up two scores per game & an assist every other.

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