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Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:23 am

Alex Jesaulenko

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keogh wrote:

Plowman pick 3
Pickett pick 4
Summer pick 10
Jaksch pick 12
Kennedy pick 13

When you make a mistake you admit it

Yet Silvangi has given these guys 2 chances

Include all the recycled spuds
Kerridge
OShea etc

No wonder our lists depth hasn’t improved

Did you use a nail gun Keogh?

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Braithy

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:31 am

Craig Bradley

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dannyboy wrote:

I like what I see of Kennedy...been injured
I like what I see of Pickett...been injured
Summer - what did he cost us again?
Jaksch - I'd think GWS would be every happy with that one.

I get that Saturday hurt
I get people are angry

but the way the goalposts shift amazes me.

Our list is unbalanced but it has a lot of talent.

Cripps (mid)
Docherty
Curnow
Dow (mid)
Fisher (mid)
SPS (mid)
Marchbank
Phillips
Plowman (I like him, others don't)
O'Brien (mid)
Williamson
Weitering
Pickett
Mckay
Cunningham (mid)
Byrne
Kerr
SOS

(fingers crossed)
Macreadie
De Koning
Garlett
Schumacher
Polson

(Oldies but goodies)
Kruise
Murph (mid)
Simmo
Ed Curnow (mid)

(Oldies, play a part types)
Thomas
Rowe
Jones
Casboult
Wright
Alex Silvagni

why we are shit
age profile - our blokes any good are old or young - inbetween there is Doc and?
O'Shea
Kerridge (mid)
Mullet
Graham (mid)
Lang (mid - has been injured so may be a lot better than he has shown)
Lamb

Most glaring imbalance apart from age,
not enough genuine midfielders.

Fix the midfielders,
fix the age

see John run....

agree with the a-list talent and where we're short.

my concern is of all that a-list talent, there's multiple guys there who have stagnated or regressed under bolton & the current staff. if that trajectory is allowed to continue we will waste them the same way we never won with gibbs, murphy, kruez etc etc

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deano35

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:06 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:45 pm
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keogh wrote:

Sumner and Jaksch came PRIOR to SOS taking over so how did he give them a 2nd chance???
If you can't see talent in Plowman, Pickett and Kennedy then your blind.
If SOS got every single pick correct then he is either the best recruiter on this planet or God.

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Sidefx

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:13 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm
Posts: 6747

dannyboy wrote:

Spot on.

1 more year at the draft for mids and trade futures for that age bracket mids too.

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Blueboy74

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

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deano35 wrote:

keogh wrote:

Sumner - SOS
Jaksch - Before SOS

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BigKev

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:47 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:52 pm
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Location: Geelong

My hunch is that we're playing the PP thing well. Made the right noises early in the season. When we get near the deadline and are destined for the spoon then we'll quietly put the application in. Of course hopefully we win a handful of games before then and it becomes irrelevant. Either way though it would've been foolish to declare an interest early.

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blueboy23

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:36 pm
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Location: melbourne

Pick one to Adelaide for Mitch McGovern and Adelaides first pick round the 8 mark. Pick 8 best available.
Offer 4 years for Dahlhaus for $750k, must get...
Another player we must get is Aaron Hall, out of contract, must get.........
Dom Tyson, Mitch Wallis, Jack Scrimshaw

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Effes

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Stephen Kernahan

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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/car ... 4zqp4.html

Carlton cautious on further cuts
Peter Ryan
By Peter Ryan
10 July 2018 — 6:42pm

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Despite being on track for their second wooden spoon in four years and facing pressure on all fronts, Carlton are hesitant to continue their dramatic list cull this off-season.

After making 42 changes to their list in the past three years, the Blues are understood to be keen to establish some stability, aware that two lopsided results in four games post-bye have been due to a combination of factors including injuries to key players.

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smithy

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:53 pm

Harry Vallence

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We need another 10 changes at least.

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smithy

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:59 pm

Harry Vallence

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blueboy23 wrote:

McGovern is not what we need. Agree with getting Hall, could probably get Dahlhaus for 500k, but would we want to? He has been fairly ineffective last 2 years.
Tyson is ordinary, Wallis yes, pass on the unproven Scrimshaw unless very cheap.

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DesEnglish

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:00 pm

Rod Ashman

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Effes wrote:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-cautious-on-further-cuts-20180710-p4zqp4.html

Carlton cautious on further cuts
Peter Ryan
By Peter Ryan
10 July 2018 — 6:42pm

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Despite being on track for their second wooden spoon in four years and facing pressure on all fronts, Carlton are hesitant to continue their dramatic list cull this off-season.

After making 42 changes to their list in the past three years, the Blues are understood to be keen to establish some stability, aware that two lopsided results in four games post-bye have been due to a combination of factors including injuries to key players.

How many times his year have we lost key players in the opening quarter or early
In the second? I can think of Brisbane, Richmond, Collingwood twice straight off the top of my head.

Makes it pretty hard to win when you’ve got less rotations for most of the game

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tap in 79

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:22 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am
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DesEnglish wrote:

Effes wrote:

Fair point about the rotations.
You should be able to use your emergency player if you lose a player to a serious injury, especially when it occurs in the first half.

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Sidefx

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:34 pm

Craig Bradley

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tap in 79 wrote:

DesEnglish wrote:

Effes wrote:

Fair point about the rotations.
You should be able to use your emergency player if you lose a player to a serious injury, especially when it occurs in the first half.

That's my theory too. There should be 4 emergency players and if a team looses any players in the first half they can be replaced.

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keogh

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:08 am

Craig Bradley

Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am
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In my view Sos raiided gws too much
Plowman does not provide any rebound

Pickett has a dumb footy brain and looks unfit to me

Kennedy painfully slow can’t kick

In today’s footy if you are slow and a shit kick your are
A total liability at afl level

Look part of it is I am sick of us being shit
This had been going on 17 years people

The three most important people at at a footy club
Are
The head of recruiting
The President
The head coach

All 3 need to lift their game
Mlg needs to speak to media
Bolton needs to stop with the spin
SOS needs to stop picking up duds

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tap in 79

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:02 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am
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keogh wrote:

Fair points. Carlton did as the AFL system demanded and went “full rebuild”, but you never go “full ret***” (as that film mentions) unless you have AFL support& some players in 23-26 age bracket. They’ll have to cull more at end of the year. On a revolving merry-go-round of culling except there is nothing merry about it.

I like Lamb for instance, hope they give him another chance, but I haven’t watched enough of this year’s matches to know how far he has fallen off the cliff.

I think there is a case for handing the keys over to the AFL and letting them make the right decisions on CEO, list manager, President etc...if they get good conditions. Have they done a good job at Melbourne? If they make finals maybe that is the template for climbing out of the “full list rebuild”?

Other option -campaign to get rid of the draft, which is really a mechanism that entrenches inequality as it presently stands. Ohh! Pick 1 must always be so much better than pick 5 etc. People still believe this nonsense.

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smithy

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:38 am

Harry Vallence

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You want to hand the keys of our club to one of the most inept,corrupt and shortsighted organizations in world sport?? Really? C'mon Tap you're better than that.
At least succeed or fail on our own terms. What makes you think they wont relocate us to Tassie at the first opportunity.
When have the AFL ever had our best interests at heart.
A lot of these voices we are hearing in the football world about how to fix our plight actually like us right where we are, we need to keep that in mind.

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Braithy

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 am

Craig Bradley

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm
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i kinda cringe at that article that we're looking for stability right now.

i'm not sure we've ever had so much deadwood on our list as we do right now. it's also highly unbalanced, with more KPP's than we do mids, wings and small forwards.

to correct both of those, would take another massive list cull ... and this time instead of SOS picking the low hanging off fruit from GWS, we perhaps need to cast a wider net, yeah?

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tap in 79

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:51 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am
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smithy wrote:

Fair points Smithy.

I don’t think the AFL has Carlton’s best interest at heart either, but really if we are using the socialism analogy as previous posters have above..Carlton is presently Venezuela. The bottom of the barrel.
Could it get any worse?

Let’s reconvene after the Hawthorn match to decide that. I hope they go full defence in that match, as Hawks look angry after last year’s debacle. That is the only Carlton match I still have on Foxtel recorder.
God help us in 2018.

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tap in 79

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:01 am

Rod Ashman

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Braithy wrote:

Surely what you are suggesting is way too revolutionary.
Are you seriously suggesting recruiting players outside GWS’s discards?

Interesting that West Coast since 2012 only ever lost 2 players to free agency-Lynch past his prime & Selwood - not a massive loss. Seems like strong clubs never really lose out in free agency. Will it change this year? Gaff?

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Blueboy74

Post subject: Re: List Management 2018

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:07 am

Mike Fitzpatrick

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tap in 79 wrote:

Braithy wrote:

What are you on about?

"Tier 1 clubs"

Hawthorn have lost Suckling, Ellis and Franklin gained Frawley and Vickery.

Geelong lost Ablett to a similar system that allowed him to walk to Gold Coast and Motlop, gained Dangerfield but were forced to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder for him etc.

Adelaide lose players every year, but usually are forced to trade. Sloane may be a free agency loss coming.

We have lost Betts and Waite and both could have been retained.

Do a free agency in and out so far for any club and not one has gained a significant advantage, or disadvantage.

STOP. BLAMING. THE. SYSTEM.

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