Malthouse contract discussion: EXTENSION DENIED!

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2651

dane wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Enough with the MM bashing ant he Ratts defending.
Ratts underachieved big time with what he had at his disposal.
He had a young hungry list + Judd and Fev at the peak of their powers, and we got nothing in return...
- Had a young enthusiastic list ready to be chiseled into competitive finals footy winning beasts, but instead he chose to turn them into soft outside running nancies.
- Spent the first two years of his appointment with a 'kick it to Fev' game plan, and when Fev imploded and was traded, it was 'give it to the champ (Judd)' time.
- Couldn't control Fev
- Overworked Judd into the ground
- Walks was on the trade table at one stage too.
- Turned a kid we drafted as a the best young mid in the country (Gibbs) into a soft Half Back Flanker
- Disastrous recruiting and development under his tenure

I can go on....

Hear hear!
Make the bullshit stop.

Played finals after years of floundering at the bottom of the ladder and picking up wooden spoons, or have you forgotten those years?
Consistently in the finals when most other teams haven’t improved or plummeted and his list still made the finals this year with a bullshit game plan.
We have been a better than average team making the finals under Ratten so now it’s Micky’s turn to show how good he is.

How will your super coach improve us next year?
Is he good enough to replicate Lyon as was described earlier and applauded by so many?

We will soon find out how great he really is.

If you want to stop the bullshit all Micky has to do is perform, or is he beyond approach?

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

redback wrote:

dane wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Enough with the MM bashing ant he Ratts defending.
Ratts underachieved big time with what he had at his disposal.
He had a young hungry list + Judd and Fev at the peak of their powers, and we got nothing in return...
- Had a young enthusiastic list ready to be chiseled into competitive finals footy winning beasts, but instead he chose to turn them into soft outside running nancies.
- Spent the first two years of his appointment with a 'kick it to Fev' game plan, and when Fev imploded and was traded, it was 'give it to the champ (Judd)' time.
- Couldn't control Fev
- Overworked Judd into the ground
- Walks was on the trade table at one stage too.
- Turned a kid we drafted as a the best young mid in the country (Gibbs) into a soft Half Back Flanker
- Disastrous recruiting and development under his tenure

I can go on....

Hear hear!
Make the bullshit stop.

Played finals after years of floundering at the bottom of the ladder and picking up wooden spoons, or have you forgotten those years?
Consistently in the finals when most other teams haven’t improved or plummeted and his list still made the finals this year with a bullshit game plan.
We have been a better than average team making the finals under Ratten so now it’s Micky’s turn to show how good he is.

How will your super coach improve us next year?
Is he good enough to replicate Lyon as was described earlier and applauded by so many?

We will soon find out how great he really is.

If you want to stop the bullshit all Micky has to do is perform, or is he beyond approach?

He's beyond approach..... :snigger:

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:20 am

redback wrote:

dane wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Enough with the MM bashing ant he Ratts defending.
Ratts underachieved big time with what he had at his disposal.
He had a young hungry list + Judd and Fev at the peak of their powers, and we got nothing in return...
- Had a young enthusiastic list ready to be chiseled into competitive finals footy winning beasts, but instead he chose to turn them into soft outside running nancies.
- Spent the first two years of his appointment with a 'kick it to Fev' game plan, and when Fev imploded and was traded, it was 'give it to the champ (Judd)' time.
- Couldn't control Fev
- Overworked Judd into the ground
- Walks was on the trade table at one stage too.
- Turned a kid we drafted as a the best young mid in the country (Gibbs) into a soft Half Back Flanker
- Disastrous recruiting and development under his tenure

I can go on....

Hear hear!
Make the bullshit stop.

Played finals after years of floundering at the bottom of the ladder and picking up wooden spoons, or have you forgotten those years?
Consistently in the finals when most other teams haven’t improved or plummeted and his list still made the finals this year with a bullshit game plan.
We have been a better than average team making the finals under Ratten so now it’s Micky’s turn to show how good he is.

How will your super coach improve us next year?
Is he good enough to replicate Lyon as was described earlier and applauded by so many?

We will soon find out how great he really is.

If you want to stop the bullshit all Micky has to do is perform, or is he beyond approach?

everyone is banging on ratts door for a piece of him as a senior coach you see...

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:23 am

Dominator_7 wrote:

The Ratten/Judd years will forever be known as our 'Lost Years'

I think a lot of years in our recent past and the next 3 years are going to be known as the lost years.

I don't think many are agueing that Ratts deserves to still be there. He had his turn. It was time to move him on.
I doubt many are arguing Ratts was better than Mick at coaching a football team.

Personally i just want to see people being consistant criticising Mick the same way they criticised Ratts.

So far Mick has not been criticised for :-

- Coaching from boundary.
- Closed training sessions.
- Looking funny.
- Barracking (smashing shit up)
- Terrible gameplan / tactics.
- Terrrible selections.
- Doing anything about the list in the offseason.

Ratts copped it for all these things and eating lollies. Cant see why the same people who went him so hard about all these things have all of a sudden let it slide for Micky.
The rose coloured glasses it seems.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:26 am

club it wont be 3 years..

blieve me on this.. unless he totally bombs out or not well

hes here for another 4 or 5 years

same as Ratten....

bit more than denis...

We want stability...

kingkerna · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:27 am

don't forget quoting stats, a coach should never do that

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:33 am

kingkerna wrote:

don't forget quoting stats, a coach should never do that

Of course how could i forget. :lol:

Mick combined the stat quoting with a paper shuffle and reaching for his specs. He better watch that. Could be his undoing.

Poor coaching.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:40 am

kingkerna wrote:

don't forget quoting stats, a coach should never do that

Exclusively quoting stats...
was ridiculous.. youre right!!! :lol:

Anyway... at least we know we wont be bringing in superflous types of players to load up on ....and no midfielders....
Amazing wasnt it???
For all those stats he would shoot off.. he actually had no idea how to make sense of them in any meaningful way

camel · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:48 am

Synbad wrote:

We want stability...

Except on the board, right?

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:05 pm

Dominator_7 wrote:

The Ratten/Judd years will forever be known as our 'Lost Years'

You have to be kidding.

You can argue Ratten had taken the list as far as he could and thats fair enough, but don't ignore the fact he took a team which had finished at or near bottom the 3 previous years to the finals 3 consecutive years and with a bit of luck could have progressed further.

Hardly Lost Years and its crap to claim they were.

Malthouse v Ratten arguments are pointless. They've coaches the team at different points, under different circumstance.

If you're going to judge one hard though, please judge the other the same way.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

redback wrote:

dane wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Enough with the MM bashing ant he Ratts defending.
Ratts underachieved big time with what he had at his disposal.
He had a young hungry list + Judd and Fev at the peak of their powers, and we got nothing in return...
- Had a young enthusiastic list ready to be chiseled into competitive finals footy winning beasts, but instead he chose to turn them into soft outside running nancies.
- Spent the first two years of his appointment with a 'kick it to Fev' game plan, and when Fev imploded and was traded, it was 'give it to the champ (Judd)' time.
- Couldn't control Fev
- Overworked Judd into the ground
- Walks was on the trade table at one stage too.
- Turned a kid we drafted as a the best young mid in the country (Gibbs) into a soft Half Back Flanker
- Disastrous recruiting and development under his tenure

I can go on....

Hear hear!
Make the bullshit stop.

Played finals after years of floundering at the bottom of the ladder and picking up wooden spoons, or have you forgotten those years?
Consistently in the finals when most other teams haven’t improved or plummeted and his list still made the finals this year with a bullshit game plan.
We have been a better than average team making the finals under Ratten so now it’s Micky’s turn to show how good he is.

How will your super coach improve us next year?
Is he good enough to replicate Lyon as was described earlier and applauded by so many?

We will soon find out how great he really is.

If you want to stop the bullshit all Micky has to do is perform, or is he beyond approach?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/beyond+reproach

What's this super coach talk?

Your hate of the man is blinding you.

redback · **Joined:** Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm **Posts:** 2651

dane wrote:

redback wrote:

dane wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

Enough with the MM bashing ant he Ratts defending.
Ratts underachieved big time with what he had at his disposal.
He had a young hungry list + Judd and Fev at the peak of their powers, and we got nothing in return...
- Had a young enthusiastic list ready to be chiseled into competitive finals footy winning beasts, but instead he chose to turn them into soft outside running nancies.
- Spent the first two years of his appointment with a 'kick it to Fev' game plan, and when Fev imploded and was traded, it was 'give it to the champ (Judd)' time.
- Couldn't control Fev
- Overworked Judd into the ground
- Walks was on the trade table at one stage too.
- Turned a kid we drafted as a the best young mid in the country (Gibbs) into a soft Half Back Flanker
- Disastrous recruiting and development under his tenure

I can go on....

Hear hear!
Make the bullshit stop.

Played finals after years of floundering at the bottom of the ladder and picking up wooden spoons, or have you forgotten those years?
Consistently in the finals when most other teams haven’t improved or plummeted and his list still made the finals this year with a bullshit game plan.
We have been a better than average team making the finals under Ratten so now it’s Micky’s turn to show how good he is.

How will your super coach improve us next year?
Is he good enough to replicate Lyon as was described earlier and applauded by so many?

We will soon find out how great he really is.

If you want to stop the bullshit all Micky has to do is perform, or is he beyond approach?

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/beyond+reproach

What's this super coach talk?

Your hate of the man is blinding you.

Fair

the rest still stands

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:24 pm

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

The Ratten/Judd years will forever be known as our 'Lost Years'

You have to be kidding.

You can argue Ratten had taken the list as far as he could and thats fair enough, but don't ignore the fact he took a team which had finished at or near bottom the 3 previous years to the finals 3 consecutive years and with a bit of luck could have progressed further.

Hardly Lost Years and its crap to claim they were.

Malthouse v Ratten arguments are pointless. They've coaches the team at different points, under different circumstance.

If you're going to judge one hard though, please judge the other the same way.

the team isnt going to stay at the bottom with so many number 1 picks early picks and early picks and after 5 years plus of him we didnt have a leader....

he failed to find leadership at the club after 120 games... Dont forget that!!!.... here no leadership..... no leadership here!!!

The guy was shocking!!!

Nobody could have done worse....

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

2 more years to go and counting.

Hopefully he will get some new coach into help him. Tactics, Man Management and Player Selection have been woeful.

It all about Damage Control now.

kingkerna · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:07 pm

Anyone in favour of a sucession plan?
Worsfold? Voss?

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3073

kingkerna wrote:

Anyone in favour of a sucession plan?
Worsfold? Voss?

Either would be a step up.

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:23 pm

Synbad wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

The Ratten/Judd years will forever be known as our 'Lost Years'

You have to be kidding.

You can argue Ratten had taken the list as far as he could and thats fair enough, but don't ignore the fact he took a team which had finished at or near bottom the 3 previous years to the finals 3 consecutive years and with a bit of luck could have progressed further.

Hardly Lost Years and its crap to claim they were.

Malthouse v Ratten arguments are pointless. They've coaches the team at different points, under different circumstance.

If you're going to judge one hard though, please judge the other the same way.

the team isnt going to stay at the bottom with so many number 1 picks early picks and early picks and after 5 years plus of him we didnt have a leader....

he failed to find leadership at the club after 120 games... Dont forget that!!!.... here no leadership..... no leadership here!!!

The guy was shocking!!!

Nobody could have done worse....

The guys who coached Melbourne , Essendon*, Richmond and Port who were down there collecting picks like us. Having a look at it those who chose to go the high pick route in the mid to late 2000's havent had much success. Bad pool of players or a flawed plan?

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:34 pm

club29 wrote:

Synbad wrote:

TruBlueBrad wrote:

Dominator_7 wrote:

The Ratten/Judd years will forever be known as our 'Lost Years'

You have to be kidding.

You can argue Ratten had taken the list as far as he could and thats fair enough, but don't ignore the fact he took a team which had finished at or near bottom the 3 previous years to the finals 3 consecutive years and with a bit of luck could have progressed further.

Hardly Lost Years and its crap to claim they were.

Malthouse v Ratten arguments are pointless. They've coaches the team at different points, under different circumstance.

If you're going to judge one hard though, please judge the other the same way.

the team isnt going to stay at the bottom with so many number 1 picks early picks and early picks and after 5 years plus of him we didnt have a leader....

he failed to find leadership at the club after 120 games... Dont forget that!!!.... here no leadership..... no leadership here!!!

The guy was shocking!!!

Nobody could have done worse....

The guys who coached Melbourne , Essendon**, Richmond and Port who were down there collecting picks like us. Having a look at it those who chose to go the high pick route in the mid to late 2000's havent had much success. Bad pool of players or a flawed plan?

unpreceded amount of early picks.. never done before ....
this was the first time..

wanna count them??? :lol:

This is what Ratts did... and we have to rebuild..

plus no leadership developed...

what do u expect?... the game plan was kick it to the champ....

no wonder most of the players were happy to see the back of him...

and thats players who mostly knew noone else but ratts.

:lol:

120 games of nothingness....
u nless people get a woody with an eliminational finals win....with all that at his disposal.

but then he did tell me bower and russell were both going to be "All Australians" once...

and then proceeded to go out and find another 10 hbfers...

The guy just want a thinker...

yes!!! yes!!! mm's record pales into insignificance.... :lol:

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Here we go again. You three should just PM each other.

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:57 pm

dane wrote:

Here we go again. You three should just PM each other.

Good point maybe we should.

haha Sorry Dane. I can't speak for Synbad but it isn't my intention to bore you. I am sure some appreciate Synbad's clever word play and giggle faces he puts in after questions and dots.

Maybe in my pm i should ask Synbad to count the picks of each club in that period and remind him that Melbourne, Essendon* and Richmond have not even won a final in that time.
Bad pool of players or a flawed plan. I know this isn't what he wants to hear as he was so gungho on tanking for picks. To see that it is a flawed plan would make his decision making on par with those at the club that he despises.

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