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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:23 am 
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Kernahan got rid of your #1 hate, you have to give him credit for that.

But you're right his disposal was shocking last night. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:27 am 
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Kernahan got rid of your #1 hate, you have to give him credit for that.

But you're right his disposal was shocking last night. :lol:

Kernahan is president... his job is to make sure the club is run properly.
Recruitment CEO coaches players in the end it all stops wth Kernahan.

Unless you dont know how it all works????

You dont do you???

If you dont see leadership on the ground you wont see it off the ground.. and if you dont see it off the ground you wont see it on the ground....

Kernahan is quite remorseful of losing Ratts he is on record for it.. he wanted more of Ratten

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:30 am 
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Are you an only son?


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:52 am 
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Are you an only son?

are u an only child?

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:14 am 
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Redback - you should know by now he won't stop until Sticks steps down, so why waste your time.
It's all Sticks fault that we don't have KP players, stuck at TD - were we can't win games & are in debt.
Lets just let him be. Definitely a only son as well. That you can take to the bank. Unlike yourself ofcourse, as your posting's tell differently.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:30 am 
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Synbad wrote:
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Are you an only son?

are u an only child?


I'll take that as a yes :grin:


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:33 am 
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Make no mistake.

Mick will cut this list to shreds a the end of the year.

GONE: ROK, Joseph
TRADE: Hampson, Robbo, Lucas
ON THIN ICE: Watson, McCarthy, Levi, Rowe

RECRUITING:
Very Long Shot: Buddy Franklin
Possible: Dale Thomas, any decent player from Melbourne, any good young players (particularly KPFs) from other clubs who are after more senior game time.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:38 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Make no mistake.

Mick will cut this list to shreds a the end of the year.

GONE: ROK, Joseph
TRADE: Hampson, Robbo, Lucas
ON THIN ICE: Watson, McCarthy, Levi, Rowe

RECRUITING:
Very Long Shot: Buddy Franklin
Possible: Dale Thomas, any decent player from Melbourne, any good young players (particularly KPFs) from other clubs who are after more senior game time.


Problem is clubs have to want our players. Won't happen if we keep dishing up shite like last night. What would the Rock Star get us, as it stands now?
I'm sure Mick will get his hands dirty with the list after they were tied behind his back last year.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:39 am 
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The first to go should be Barker

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:45 am 
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Also:
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Barry Prendagast. Opposition analyst my Rs!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:07 am 
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Why are we blaming everyone except for those in control of the situation?
Mick picked the side and made the moves.
Mick played players that are injured or aren't 95-100%.
Mick's game plan, Mick's motivation and Micks standards.
The last 5 years Ratten took the blame and rightly so, so why do we give Mick so much leeway when he is so much more experienced and we have sold the cow to recruit him for immediate success?

If we didn't have the players "and needed a rebuild" why not go for a promising and hungry young coach?
Mick is not doing his job, simple.
If the players aren't performing to the standard he requires, drop them and promote young players and mould them to his liking.
Send a message to the whole group. He had the chance after the NAB cup but blew it.
His selections are suspect and his game plan and authority isn't up to scratch.
He either needs to make a statement or we will just plod along for the rest of the year and still not get any match experience into the younger brigade.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:15 am 
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redback wrote:
Why are we blaming everyone except for those in control of the situation?
Mick picked the side and made the moves.
Mick played players that are injured or aren't 95-100%.
Mick's game plan, Mick's motivation and Micks standards.
The last 5 years Ratten took the blame and rightly so, so why do we give Mick so much leeway when he is so much more experienced and we have sold the cow to recruit him for immediate success?

If we didn't have the players "and needed a rebuild" why not go for a promising and hungry young coach?
Mick is not doing his job, simple.
If the players aren't performing to the standard he requires, drop them and promote young players and mould them to his liking.
Send a message to the whole group. He had the chance after the NAB cup but blew it.
His selections are suspect and his game plan and authority isn't up to scratch.
He either needs to make a statement or we will just plod along for the rest of the year and still not get any match experience into the younger brigade.

I'm reserving overall judgement on Mick until at least next year, after he's had a chance to actually implement some changes and surround himself with all the people HE wants (players and coaches).

But certainly, he has made mistakes, and will continue to make more as the year progresses and he sees what's worth salvaging.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:28 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
TRADE: Hampson, Robbo, Lucas



:lol: Who would want hampson and Lucas? Melbourne? For what?

Clubs aren't silly. If we can see they're no good, I'm tipping AFL clubs can too.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:05 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
redback wrote:
Why are we blaming everyone except for those in control of the situation?
Mick picked the side and made the moves.
Mick played players that are injured or aren't 95-100%.
Mick's game plan, Mick's motivation and Micks standards.
The last 5 years Ratten took the blame and rightly so, so why do we give Mick so much leeway when he is so much more experienced and we have sold the cow to recruit him for immediate success?

If we didn't have the players "and needed a rebuild" why not go for a promising and hungry young coach?
Mick is not doing his job, simple.
If the players aren't performing to the standard he requires, drop them and promote young players and mould them to his liking.
Send a message to the whole group. He had the chance after the NAB cup but blew it.
His selections are suspect and his game plan and authority isn't up to scratch.
He either needs to make a statement or we will just plod along for the rest of the year and still not get any match experience into the younger brigade.

I'm reserving overall judgement on Mick until at least next year, after he's had a chance to actually implement some changes and surround himself with all the people HE wants (players and coaches).

But certainly, he has made mistakes, and will continue to make more as the year progresses and he sees what's worth salvaging.


Agree, it seems that Mick needs to verify everything for himself at the moment. Could be a combination of "i'm a better coach than Ratts so I can make it work where he couldn't" and "surely player x cannot be so dumb/lazy/unmotivated/inept/soft" and "I can fix that flaw". On some things he will win, and on others he will fail - and hopefully he recognises both quickly and moves forward.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:21 pm 
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redback wrote:
Why are we blaming everyone except for those in control of the situation?
Mick picked the side and made the moves.
Mick played players that are injured or aren't 95-100%.
Mick's game plan, Mick's motivation and Micks standards.
The last 5 years Ratten took the blame and rightly so, so why do we give Mick so much leeway when he is so much more experienced and we have sold the cow to recruit him for immediate success?

If we didn't have the players "and needed a rebuild" why not go for a promising and hungry young coach?
Mick is not doing his job, simple.
If the players aren't performing to the standard he requires, drop them and promote young players and mould them to his liking.
Send a message to the whole group. He had the chance after the NAB cup but blew it.
His selections are suspect and his game plan and authority isn't up to scratch.
He either needs to make a statement or we will just plod along for the rest of the year and still not get any match experience into the younger brigade.

Agree with most of what you said.
One point, this is Rattens list.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:23 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
Are you an only son?

are u an only child?


Sorry guys dont mean to offend either of you, i just thought that comeback from synners was Gold :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:41 pm 
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Couple of interesting things on talkback today - caller suggesting still no protection from our players for our tagged players - and Mooney cant understand how Laids isnt playing saying how talented he is, suggesting other clubs circling

they're questions for Mick I reckon


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:07 pm 
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kezza wrote:
redback wrote:
Why are we blaming everyone except for those in control of the situation?
Mick picked the side and made the moves.
Mick played players that are injured or aren't 95-100%.
Mick's game plan, Mick's motivation and Micks standards.
The last 5 years Ratten took the blame and rightly so, so why do we give Mick so much leeway when he is so much more experienced and we have sold the cow to recruit him for immediate success?

If we didn't have the players "and needed a rebuild" why not go for a promising and hungry young coach?
Mick is not doing his job, simple.
If the players aren't performing to the standard he requires, drop them and promote young players and mould them to his liking.
Send a message to the whole group. He had the chance after the NAB cup but blew it.
His selections are suspect and his game plan and authority isn't up to scratch.
He either needs to make a statement or we will just plod along for the rest of the year and still not get any match experience into the younger brigade.

Agree with most of what you said.
One point, this is Rattens list.


Agree Kezza but
Mick is apparently a more improved and more expensive version.
Mick came into the year with the majority of the list intact unlike Ratten for the majority last year.
Let’s not forget this list has been more than competitive for the last 3 years.
New coaches should exert the most influence over the existing playing group at the start of his appointment whether they are a middle of the range team or not.
Yes there have been positives in individuals but there have also been some contraction in others.
If the players don’t know their role it’s up to the coaching department to teach them or if they’re incapable of fulfilling their role to a satisfactory degree of enthusiasm they should be made to do so one way or another.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:10 pm 
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of course there's always the possibility that the players as a group won't like what truths they hear from Malthouse and stop playing for him


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:12 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Couple of interesting things on talkback today - caller suggesting still no protection from our players for our tagged players - and Mooney cant understand how Laids isnt playing saying how talented he is, suggesting other clubs circling

they're questions for Mick I reckon

Via Jamo Laids not playing to a perceived lack of pace by MM....

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