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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:47 pm 
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We must have seen Fritsch's moronic decision to play on blindly instead of take a 20m set shot vs. Filth and thought, "now THERE'S a Carlton forward!"


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I reckon most of our draft haul will be FS and NDA this year. Dean, Ison, Gresham (maybe rookie)


We have to make a minimum 3 changes.

Cincotta upgrade is one.
Dean is two
Ison could be 3

First round pick for TDK will be for someone good and fills a need and who wants to come to us. Bergman?
Second round pick might go to Crows for a No 1 ruck, maybe O'Brien?...hopefully we can get him for a 3rd round pick.

Dean maybe taken in the 2nd round. I doubt he'll be a first rounder despite being only one of a couple of KPDs in the draft.

How the hell do we add more depth? FA or DFA. We need a few.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We must have seen Fritsch's moronic decision to play on blindly instead of take a 20m set shot vs. Filth and thought, "now THERE'S a Carlton forward!"


That was not a good advertisement for him. He's lost his composure. Ah yes, he fits the Carlton mould.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Not liking the sound of Fritsch coming out of BF.


What!!!!!!!!!???????

Hasbeen.

No way.....too expensive for depth me thinks.

He can join Gov Doc Haynes Kemp Motlop as depth...hang on...we might be delisting all those guys and still have no depth.

Shit, maybe beggers cant be choosers.


Not a chance Haynes doesn’t play on.

He’d be top 5 in our B&F at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GWS wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Not liking the sound of Fritsch coming out of BF.


What!!!!!!!!!???????

Hasbeen.

No way.....too expensive for depth me thinks.

He can join Gov Doc Haynes Kemp Motlop as depth...hang on...we might be delisting all those guys and still have no depth.

Shit, maybe beggers cant be choosers.


Not a chance Haynes doesn’t play on.

He’d be top 5 in our B&F at the moment.


Agree GWS. I'vebeen a fan of haynes since it was mentioned during the year last year, and still do.

In fact, I have said in recent weeks, stating the obvious, we lack depth, which everyone agrees with, so why would we want to get rid of any of our oldest players who happen to be out of contract come years end, when we could use them as depth, and find better players to take their spot in Best 23...let alone Best 28?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GWS wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Not liking the sound of Fritsch coming out of BF.


What!!!!!!!!!???????

Hasbeen.

No way.....too expensive for depth me thinks.

He can join Gov Doc Haynes Kemp Motlop as depth...hang on...we might be delisting all those guys and still have no depth.

Shit, maybe beggers cant be choosers.


Not a chance Haynes doesn’t play on.

He’d be top 5 in our B&F at the moment.

Gettable also said we are looking to lock in JSOS and Motlop in the second half of the year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We must have seen Fritsch's moronic decision to play on blindly instead of take a 20m set shot vs. Filth and thought, "now THERE'S a Carlton forward!"
:lol: will fit in well with Charlie


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:14 am 
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Now the numbers are coming out from Melbourne.
I think our salary cap is definetely not maxed, and its a case we are not getting bang for our buck consistently from our stars.

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The figures for Pickett’s deal are jaw-dropping, as revealed by the Herald Sun on Tuesday.
An average of $1.4 million a season and around $12.5 million in guaranteed money through to 2034.


I forgot about Brayshaw the Dees have to carry

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Angus Brayshaw, who signed up to 2028 despite a long history of concussions....the Demons have been able to get no greater salary cap relief than the AFL rules – 90 per cent of his salary outside the cap in 2025, 75 per cent in 2026, 50 per cent in 2027.


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But there will be a time in 2028 when Pickett is being paid close to full tote odds, Brayshaw is being paid around $700,000 not to play and Christian Petracca and Clayton Oliver being paid $1.5 million or more.

So the Demons will be paying around $5 million for three players to take the field.


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Forget the million dollar row at Carlton.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/melbourne-star-kysaiah-pickett-signs-huge-nineyear-deal-to-remain-at-demons/news-story/340375c215d265bd9f4308f812b0670c

Same paper that claimed Carlton had mazed out its salary cap, making up stories Williams is paid $1M this year and next, and making up numbers Walsh is being paid now, 2 years before his contract ends before FA.

Its not the money, its the value for money that should be questioned. Govs over paid contract expired a year ago, Williams contract ends next year....like all teams, we have to spend 95% of SC every year.

A million dollars is the new normal high end payment.

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Club list bosses estimate that by 2028 under the salary cap there will be more than 60 AFL million dollar players with clubs able to juggle five or six players on seven figure wages.


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... that their trio aren’t just on a million bucks, they will all hit the $1.5 million mark across some years of their contract.


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Fans scoff at the Oliver deal through to 2030 on as much as $1.7 million at the peak of his earning powers in the biggest years of his deal.
But the Demons signed him in June 2022 in a season when he would go on to be All Australian, win the best-and-fairest and be awarded the title of the AFLCA champion player of the year.

Ditto for Petracca, signed to 2029.


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Carlton also secured Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow as pre-agents but at least it would say it signed the pair up at great money – not bank-breaking cash.


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The Demons either matched deals of that scope or lost Oliver.

That is why the AFL’s determination to reduce the number of long-term deals rings so hollow.


Geelong have signed Cameron, Dangerfield, Bailey, Stewart....to long term deals worth millions too. Its the lay of the land.

Our issue is depth. We need to improve on the players we have coming out of contract, but we need picks to Trade. That's the issue.

We are OK. We just need to improve the output on those we have, bring in better players with more reliable bodies than we (SOS) has done in the past.

We move forward.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:20 pm 
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Dean, Ison & Gresham, plus one more through the drafts. I’d love a Hibbins-Hargreaves or Cumming, but that’ll mean a shit end to the season & everyone gets sacked.

At the trade table, I’ll repurpose mids in the forward 50 til I’m blue in the face. Elite users are the order of the day. I can’t explain why our blokes are garbage by foot, but I suspect it has something to do with predictability. Worse than that, we’re not good when the ball hits the deck inside 50.

All up, I think I’ll need seven empty spots on the primary list & at least two on the rookie list for White & Flynn Young. Gresham would make it three.

De Koning takes the cash. $5m (even if it’s half that after tax) is more than he’s going to make hosting kids parties, or running a surf shack.

Elijah pulls the pin. I’m sad that he’s sad. The important thing is that life goes on.

Docherty retires. Hopefully… although, one of his many endearing qualities is that he’s the sort of bloke that will force us to push him out. :beer: Slàinte mhath, great man.

The sensible thing would be to keep McGovern as depth, but I think we can trade him. Probably him & Kemp both to St Kilda. Just a hunch.

That’s a good amount of money to spend.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:39 pm 
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We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Even if we match a bid on Ison he still falls under NGA

I think you're right about the Irish boys, even though they have looked OK in the last couple of games.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:

De Koning takes the cash. $5m (even if it’s half that after tax) is more than he’s going to make hosting kids parties, or running a surf shack.


TRUST, he wont be paying half in tax. :wink:

He's gone.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Which rookies other than Cincotta elevation are you moving on?

NGA prospects

2025 Ison Gresham Clark
2026 non
2027 Ahmad Abdallah
2028 Nason Lovett-Murray (Garlett)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We have to let go 2 players to bring us back to 44 players.

Mine is Evans and White.

I know we need to scarifice some younger players to make room and add some depth. We may have to retain some older players to add to depth.

I may even contemplate delisting Charleson if we can find a DFA who could add to our depth. I know Charleson is good, but unproven at this stage. I really want to retain Lemmey, and Wilson last 2 weeks has been really good. last week in shit conditions he looked great with his running and kicking.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:15 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Even if we match a bid on Ison he still falls under NGA

I think you're right about the Irish boys, even though they have looked OK in the last couple of games.

If we match a bid on any of the lads in the Academy, they’ll be on the primary list.

There might be some government-sponsored TPP concessions (I’ve got NFI), but they’ll still be on the primary list.

If they’re overlooked in the National Draft, then we can pre-list them as Cat B rookies - provided we have an available spot.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Which rookies other than Cincotta elevation are you moving on?

Frankie & the two Irish.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 3:19 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Even if we match a bid on Ison he still falls under NGA

I think you're right about the Irish boys, even though they have looked OK in the last couple of games.

If we match a bid on any of the lads in the Academy, they’ll be on the primary list.

There might be some government-sponsored TPP concessions (I’ve got NFI), but they’ll still be on the primary list.

If they’re overlooked in the National Draft, then we can pre-list them as Cat B rookies - provided we have an available spot.


Interesting. Sounds right too.

I really don't think Ison will be drafted for any Primary List. Oh shit I forgot SOS is out there.

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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Which rookies other than Cincotta elevation are you moving on?

Frankie & the two Irish.


Franky brings the list number to 45. Need one more to have the list with 44 before the Delist/Trade/ Draft.

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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re in a bit of a pickle with the Irish. I think they both have to go, but we have an obligation to give Duffy a second year.

If we were able to play them in a lower league, or even an under 19s comp, we might be able to find a player in them.

Ideally, next year’s rookie list would be:

Cat A: O’Keeffe, Lord, Charleson, Carroll, White & F.Young
Cat B: Gresham & Clark


Which rookies other than Cincotta elevation are you moving on?

Frankie & the two Irish.


Franky brings the list number to 45. Need one more to have the list with 44 before the Delist/Trade/ Draft.

Cincotta is the other one. He goes onto the primary list & someone gets the chop.

36 Primary
6 Cat A
2 Cat B

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I wonder what happened to Matt Allan's son who was progressing well last year. IIRC he wasn't ruck size. He was around 190cm.
He was a prospective Father Son for 2025

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