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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:40 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
I'd say knees are a bigger problem than soft tissue at the moment.



can't do much about knees and corkies - that's just down to luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:52 am 
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Braithy wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I'd say knees are a bigger problem than soft tissue at the moment.



can't do much about knees and corkies - that's just down to luck.


You don't get to chose your parents, your work partners nor your knees.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:54 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .



it's hard to cop. pies, port, lions, dogs etc aren't being smashed by soft tissue injuries - every year it seems we're losing guys to hammy and calf issues. where there's smoke, there's fire - something isn't right imo.


In the clubs defense they did say early in the year they're upping the training loads and soft tissue injuries might happen more this year

2024 is the year. We'd want to see an uptick in wins and a decline in soft tissue injuries.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:11 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .



it's hard to cop. pies, port, lions, dogs etc aren't being smashed by soft tissue injuries - every year it seems we're losing guys to hammy and calf issues. where there's smoke, there's fire - something isn't right imo.


In the clubs defense they did say early in the year they're upping the training loads and soft tissue injuries might happen more this year

2024 is the year. We'd want to see an uptick in wins and a decline in soft tissue injuries.


yeah ok... i missed this. short term pain for longterm gain. i'm down for this haha


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:30 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .



it's hard to cop. pies, port, lions, dogs etc aren't being smashed by soft tissue injuries - every year it seems we're losing guys to hammy and calf issues. where there's smoke, there's fire - something isn't right imo.


In the clubs defense they did say early in the year they're upping the training loads and soft tissue injuries might happen more this year

2024 is the year. We'd want to see an uptick in wins and a decline in soft tissue injuries.


Except the "pain" has been going on for years. Lets see what excuse they throw up in 2024.

yeah ok... i missed this. short term pain for longterm gain. i'm down for this haha


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:57 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .


Other teams suffer soft tissue injuries. It’s bad luck the AFL have turned Aussie rules to be like rugby union and appease the new northern markets.

Have a look at how much muscle protection rugby players build to take the hits. Unfortunately our boys run a hell of a lot than rugby boys and have to be lean. Letting the game become a scrum which originally wasn’t allowed, takes a huge toll on an AFL body. Players jumping on backs with knees into Jamie’s was never allowed and nowadays it’s play on or a ball up.

AFL rules do not protect the players because the AFL condone huge collisions for their entertainment. It’s a mugs game and I stopped my eldest playing U19s or seniors and will do the same with my youngest. My kids are better off designing stadiums and watch players maim each other in a game where umpires don’t protect them, or let the maul continue in the hope the ball gets out, like it eventually does in rugby union.

Do you think Hewettscand Walsh’s back injuries happened because of genetics. Nah, the had blokes landing on them, elbows and knee first: techniques mastered by the unsociable Hawks.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:58 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I'd say knees are a bigger problem than soft tissue at the moment.



can't do much about knees and corkies - that's just down to luck.


Or rules that don’t discourage this kind of violence.

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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:02 pm 
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Capping interchanges doesn't help either.

The AFL should follow the lead of soccer and increase the number of players on the bench.

Unlimited interchange and 8 on the bench. The number of injuries would plummet.

I know it'll never happen, but I'd be keen to hear if people have any thoughts as to why it might be a bad idea. I guess it would mess with team cohesion in the short term, but teams would adapt.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:17 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Capping interchanges doesn't help either.

The AFL should follow the lead of soccer and increase the number of players on the bench.

Unlimited interchange and 8 on the bench. The number of injuries would plummet.

I know it'll never happen, but I'd be keen to hear if people have any thoughts as to why it might be a bad idea. I guess it would mess with team cohesion in the short term, but teams would adapt.

I have to disagree with this.
Increasing bench and rotations will do the opposite.
It'll make the game faster and the collisions at higher speeds and harder, thus increasing injuries.
Keeping players on the field longer and increasing fatigue naturally slows the game down and reduces high impact and speed related injuries.
Plus, if they did that we'd be screwed, too many slow players at our club.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .


Other teams suffer soft tissue injuries. It’s bad luck the AFL have turned Aussie rules to be like rugby union and appease the new northern markets.

Have a look at how much muscle protection rugby players build to take the hits. Unfortunately our boys run a hell of a lot than rugby boys and have to be lean. Letting the game become a scrum which originally wasn’t allowed, takes a huge toll on an AFL body. Players jumping on backs with knees into Jamie’s was never allowed and nowadays it’s play on or a ball up.

AFL rules do not protect the players because the AFL condone huge collisions for their entertainment. It’s a mugs game and I stopped my eldest playing U19s or seniors and will do the same with my youngest. My kids are better off designing stadiums and watch players maim each other in a game where umpires don’t protect them, or let the maul continue in the hope the ball gets out, like it eventually does in rugby union.

Do you think Hewettscand Walsh’s back injuries happened because of genetics. Nah, the had blokes landing on them, elbows and knee first: techniques mastered by the unsociable Hawks.

A perspective I never thought I'd hear from you Bondi.
I thought your main gripe with players like LOB, Fisher and Young is that they avoid the collisions.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:06 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Deflating news.
Kennedy and now Walsh to go with McKay, Silvagni and even Motlop/Durdin are just hard to stomach injuries.
Hopefully Cerra, Martin and Crippa are good to go but we have some work to do now.


Constant soft tissue injuries . Concerning . Co incidence or just plain bad luck ? dunno , but it is number one issue to be sorted come seasons end . Not a finger pointing witch hunt but a good hard look at it . Way over the top compared to other Clubs .


Other teams suffer soft tissue injuries. It’s bad luck the AFL have turned Aussie rules to be like rugby union and appease the new northern markets.

Have a look at how much muscle protection rugby players build to take the hits. Unfortunately our boys run a hell of a lot than rugby boys and have to be lean. Letting the game become a scrum which originally wasn’t allowed, takes a huge toll on an AFL body. Players jumping on backs with knees into Jamie’s was never allowed and nowadays it’s play on or a ball up.

AFL rules do not protect the players because the AFL condone huge collisions for their entertainment. It’s a mugs game and I stopped my eldest playing U19s or seniors and will do the same with my youngest. My kids are better off designing stadiums and watch players maim each other in a game where umpires don’t protect them, or let the maul continue in the hope the ball gets out, like it eventually does in rugby union.

Do you think Hewettscand Walsh’s back injuries happened because of genetics. Nah, the had blokes landing on them, elbows and knee first: techniques mastered by the unsociable Hawks.

A perspective I never thought I'd hear from you Bondi.
I thought your main gripe with players like LOB, Fisher and Young is that they avoid the collisions.


Very wrong Sidey. I’ve been consistent on this forever. There’s a thread in the AFL thread about the culprits who are fking up the rules without delving into the consequences. The games forefathers established the rules for good reason. The Commissioners since Demetrius reign have ignored them because those wimps aren’t the ones who are playing the game. They just watch the show and turn a blind eye to the injuries, including concussion. Have a look at Dow graded penalties for a start. Hypocrites. Don’t get me started.

My biggest gripe is the AFL Commission and their dilution of the rules of Aussie Rules.

Under the new rules players have to sacrifice their bodies like rugby union, but not prepare their bodies for that type of game. What’s the cost? I didn’t make the new rules. The cost is more injuries. Run faster, hit harder, fall on backs, knee Jamie’s of those on the ground, partake in a running maul whilst hit and tackled by 2 or 3 players in a play the ball was never going anywhere. LOB is a victim of this, but LOB won’t even bump, and tackle, and Fisher can’t . He’s too light and not strong enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Problem is with the umpiring group. They don't umpire 'all' the rules as they should. They pick and choose what to judge. Example is the push out with both hands on players, within or out of play. Just something we would never get away with previously but have allowed in recent Richmond premiership years.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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I don't blame the umpires Surrey. Steve Hocking totally butchered the rule. The AFL removed any ambiguity by strictly imposing the hands in the back rule. It took a while but players adapted. Hocking [REDACTED] it up by again loosening the rule and reintroducing the umpires interpretation.
It was a bizarre decision that has [REDACTED] the marking contests.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Are our fitness staff managing the Matildas as well?


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Paddycripps wrote:
Are our fitness staff managing the Matildas as well?


Our fitness staff couldn't manage a root in a brothel


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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rhino27 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Are our fitness staff managing the Matildas as well?


Our fitness staff couldn't manage a root in a brothel


My go-to when describing p1ss p00r management was always: couldn't run a lemonade stall.

I like yours better. Much, much better :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Paddycripps wrote:
Are our fitness staff managing the Matildas as well?

:lol: :lol:
How on earth do two players get concussion from training?


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:33 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Are our fitness staff managing the Matildas as well?

:lol: :lol:
How on earth do two players get concussion from training?


And the best player in the world does a calf 2 days before the game because the coach decides that's a good time to have a high intensity hit out. Incompetent management of players.


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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
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Any word on Cez?


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Cerra 2-3 weeks with a low grade hamstring strain
Sounds similar to Walsh


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