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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:14 pm 
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Maybe making room for Gibbs?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I am sure we are not currently under salary cap pressure. We are reported to have banked salary cap credits for a couple of years in order to land a top level free agent. My guess is that we would have no worries paying for one player like Gognilio, but maybe we have more than one top level player in our sites and thus the need to syphon off some salary if we get all we are after.

Maybe this is just wishful thinking........ but wouldn't it be great if true. As much as I have appreciated Daisy Thomas's contribution to the club in recent years after a slow start due to his injuries, I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if it meant we got a couple of big fish... Cogs and Grundy anyone??

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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NTBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I am sure we are not currently under salary cap pressure. We are reported to have banked salary cap credits for a couple of years in order to land a top level free agent. My guess is that we would have no worries paying for one player like Gognilio, but maybe we have more than one top level player in our sites and thus the need to syphon off some salary if we get all we are after.

Maybe this is just wishful thinking........ but wouldn't it be great if true. As much as I have appreciated Daisy Thomas's contribution to the club in recent years after a slow start due to his injuries, I wouldn't have a problem with letting him go if it meant we got a couple of big fish... Cogs and Grundy anyone??

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:19 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:

Coniglio, Ellis, Papley, Martin.

It’s as if they’ve sent SOS to the shops to rustle up some dinner and he’s come back with a good, but overpriced wagyu steak & some @#$%&! ordinary vegetables.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:

Coniglio, Ellis, Papley, Martin.

It’s as if they’ve sent SOS to the shops to rustle up some dinner and he’s come back with a good, but overpriced wagyu steak & some @#$%&! ordinary vegetables.


Vegetables are overrated particularly when it’s a marble 9+ rabbit potentially being served.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:54 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I think you misread the article

The Age wrote:
Carlton are active in the trade market for star GWS midfielder Stephen Coniglio, Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis – who is a restricted free agent – and Swans small forward Tom Papley. They have previously also had interest in Jack Martin, though that might have cooled in recent times.

Should they be successful with the main three targets, they would be pressed on their salary cap as well as list positions.


I would not be surprised if we have salary cap issues if we got Coniglio, Ellis and Papley :smoking:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:03 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
He was close to favourite for the Brownlow early this season and wasn’t far off last year either. When he’s fit he’s top 10-20 player in the league. Hard, two way runner, wins his own ball, uses it well, and kicks plenty of goals. He’s a pretty complete player

We will have the ability to heavily front end his contract so that by the time the kids are ready for big contracts, the majority of Cogs deal will be paid off. If anyone was ever in a position to pay overs for a FA it’s us right now. I would much rather pay an extra $200k and outbid GWS than enable them to match it and be forced to cough up our next 2 first round picks for him, cause that’s the reality if we try to get him for sub $1m


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Exactly.

I heard last year at that stage we had a $2M warchest.
It is a case of use it or lose it.

Best way forward is to get a player you target and not enter a war you may lose in the end.
Too many other pieces to put in place after a class mid has been recruited.
Lets just hope we really do get him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:07 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


If you want to believe it was cap pressure...go ahead.

I don't believe that for a minute.

We have a war chest for next season too.

Front loading year after year has created a lot of cash to splash over the next 2 trade periods.

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 Post subject: List Management 2019
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Steve_C7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I think you misread the article

The Age wrote:
Carlton are active in the trade market for star GWS midfielder Stephen Coniglio, Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis – who is a restricted free agent – and Swans small forward Tom Papley. They have previously also had interest in Jack Martin, though that might have cooled in recent times.

Should they be successful with the main three targets, they would be pressed on their salary cap as well as list positions.


I would not be surprised if we have salary cap issues if we got Coniglio, Ellis and Papley :smoking:


“If”. And “if” we don’t get them then what? We ask him to come back? Why would we decide now “if” we aren’t sure that we will get them all?

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Players who get 'retired' in November don't get much of an opportunity to stand in front of the group and speak their piece.

250 game players deserve that opportunity at the very least.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:22 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I think you misread the article

The Age wrote:
Carlton are active in the trade market for star GWS midfielder Stephen Coniglio, Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis – who is a restricted free agent – and Swans small forward Tom Papley. They have previously also had interest in Jack Martin, though that might have cooled in recent times.

Should they be successful with the main three targets, they would be pressed on their salary cap as well as list positions.


I would not be surprised if we have salary cap issues if we got Coniglio, Ellis and Papley :smoking:


“If”. And “if” we don’t get them then what? We ask him to come back? Why would we decide now “if” we aren’t sure that we will get them all?

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad...


If we don't secure them, we can front load contracts for existing players. The money wont be lost.
I'd prefer the club go hard at free agents and miss out than not try at all.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:31 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Players who get 'retired' in November don't get much of an opportunity to stand in front of the group and speak their piece.

250 game players deserve that opportunity at the very least.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Daisy being squeezed out due to salary cap pressure as we chase big fish -
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dai ... 52hhx.html

It doesn’t seem right that Thomas won’t be on our list next year but Polson, Macreadie, Lang & Finbar will be. The vagaries of AFL list management... :roll:


How the hell can we be under salary cap pressure with the list we have right now?!!

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad.....


I think you misread the article

The Age wrote:
Carlton are active in the trade market for star GWS midfielder Stephen Coniglio, Richmond premiership player Brandon Ellis – who is a restricted free agent – and Swans small forward Tom Papley. They have previously also had interest in Jack Martin, though that might have cooled in recent times.

Should they be successful with the main three targets, they would be pressed on their salary cap as well as list positions.


I would not be surprised if we have salary cap issues if we got Coniglio, Ellis and Papley :smoking:


“If”. And “if” we don’t get them then what? We ask him to come back? Why would we decide now “if” we aren’t sure that we will get them all?

This doesn’t make sense, Thomas must have done something really bad...


If we don't secure them, we can front load contracts for existing players. The money wont be lost.
I'd prefer the club go hard at free agents and miss out than not try at all.


:wink:

War chest just grows as do our young players as we rise up the ladder, albeit slower without this year's FA's.

The footy world knows we are on the rise.
The footy world has seen fortunes change very quickly:

2019 Brisbane
2018 Pies
2017 Tigers
2016 Bulldogs

Carlton is next, but with a twist: a list built for sustained success and a destination club !

(unlike a built list from scratch with GWS and not a destination club)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:00 pm 
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At the end of this season, we will have 15 players on the list (32%) that have played 20 games or less. Of that group, Setterfield, Williamson, Stocker, De Koning, Schumacher & Ben Silvagni should get the opportunity to add to their tallies in 2020, although Schumacher will need a new contract to do so.

Polson, Macreadie & O'Dwyer will clog the main list for one more year.

Goddard, Deluca, Cottrell, LeBois & Owies are rookies with no prospects, whilst Kerr needs to hope a rookie spot opens up.

Of those with more than 20 games to their name; Thomas & Pickett are gone from the main list already, with Fasolo, Lang, Garlett & Lobbe to follow. Bugg was an early scratching from the rookie list, with all of Goddard, Deluca, Cottrell & LeBois set to be turned over as well.

At least six new additions to the main list, with another five to be added to the rookie list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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I still have hopes for Macreadie. He has the skills to play AFL footy.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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To say Owies has no prospects is a bit harsh. First year back in footy for how many years, Category B rookie, a position we need, will surely get another year. Wouldn't be that shocked if Deluca and Cottrell were here next year either, mind you I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Blue Vain wrote:
I still have hopes for Macreadie. He has the skills to play AFL footy.


I crave for more of what I saw when he first started from round 1.
This, after a break through preseason where he put his body on the line.
Then within a blink he'd be off with the ball.

I want more of that.
He looks like a wingman to me.
Forget the 6 foot wingman.
This kid is 196cm IIRC.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Pickett was the one I was really hoping would turn into a star....
Shame.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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Still not getting the Thomas decision.
Surely there has to be more to this than meets the eye?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2019
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In terms of the next 5 yrs there's been some wonderful signs this year from some of our young players.

Jack is developing into a hard uncompromising contested bull who can set the right tone for his team mates. Looks super fit.

SPS's smarts and class setting up rebounds out of defence is more prominent. Also looks strong and fit.

The Gov has had a well deserved shake up from AR and looked fantastic yesterday apart from that careless act in the 1st qtr.

If AR can get a full preseason into Doc, Cuningham, Charlie and TDK, we're finals bound.


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