- Marchbank is a gun and the deal was well in our favour. Just wish he didn't get injured so much.
- Phillips and Plowman for pick #30 is also in our favour.
- The Jaksch deal was a bust.

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I think we can still get quality players, but we are probably going to have to pay way over odds to land them, which means we would have to get a bit creative with the cap.
Since The drug cheats pretty much exposed the AFL as one of the most corrupt sports in the world; We should probably treat their salary cap rules as not applicable and seek to get some leverage on the AFL
Salary caps aren't applicable to interstate teams or * , put yourselves in the place of Essendon*..breaking relatively minor AFL rules isn't going to bother them one little bit after what transpired, so how are we going to compete with one hand tied behind our backs compared to other clubs. Get creative and get your f##### hands dirty Carlton. We have been nice guys for too long.
We need to f### shit up.
And I wanna see some real nastiness on field especially from our captain, I want to see him hurt someone. Cotchin became a nasty unsociable p#### on field last year if anyone noticed. That did not happen by chance. I suspect he was called out by his teammates or coaches for being too soft in the past and told to bring a much harder unsociable edge to his game.

Club need to realize this is serious now, after hearing what Docherty said today I was a bit alarmed, they seem to be a bit delusional about where we are at.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

SOS won the Jaksch deal.

Smithy, without looking at our list in detail, I would guess we would have approx. 30 players on our list that have been drafted as top 20 picks in previous national drafts. That is pure talent right there!

Docherty spoke well. We HAVE got the raw young talent. We just need better injury management and player development.

https://twitter.com/CarltonFC/status/1016218779938721792

Don't mind Phillips. Although, still has a lot to prove and should be given the number one ruck role going forward.

Plowman is ordinary.

Just because they are drafted early does not equate to pure talent/great footballer.

That's what separates the good list manager/recruiter from the not so good list manager/recruiter.

What makes it worse is when the same list manager/recruiter repeats the same mistake with the same footballers again, or with other early draftees that are unwanted (for very valid reasons) by their original clubs.

We need to get this bloke in front of camera at EVERY opportunity.

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It's a bit of a misleading stat that one, and don't the media love to jump all over it. We might have more first round picks on our list than almost anyone, however quite a few of them had injury concerns or hadn't shown a lot and were moved on, some of them were considered a bit of a reach in their draft year e.g Plowman, we took a punt on them for better or worse.

The thing that really grinds me is the off season last year. It was the height of stupidity to bring in O'Shea Mullett Shaw, when everybody knew what we really needed were solid mids.
Why didn't we bring in a Panos or a Shane Nelson. They are what we were crying out for. Mids in the 24-28 bracket... there are some good ones out there, look at T.Kelly.
I mean ffs we have nearly no Carlton mids at all in our Northern line ups, it's insane. The list was frightfully unbalanced 12 months ago and now it is worse. How the f### could they not know that?
For 5 years we had been pleading with them for midfielders. It does my head in lol.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

Based on which metric???

Marchbank is a gun. Get him, do it differently, this deal with the Cats was terrible!

The deal cost us the equivalent of a Zac Fisher (approx pick 24, the Cats took Brandan Parfitt who is a very good footballer), and Tuohy!!

Tuohy, according to the list manager, is in the age bracket that we are sorely lacking.

In addition, Tuohy considered himself a Carlton person and didn't want to leave. Since he's left, we've had O' Shea, Mullet, Lamb, SOS, Thomas play his position...

Tuohy hopes to play a long time, he might end up playing more games for the Cats, then Caleb does for us... then there's Parfitt or whoever else we gave up

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/adelai ... c2271317cb

Adelaide willing to trade picks, players to nab top 2018 draft prospect Jack Lukosius
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Tom Morris

July 9, 2018 8:37pm
Tom Morris
@tommorris32
Source: FOX SPORTS

South Australian draft prospect Jack Lukosius. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)
South Australian draft prospect Jack Lukosius. (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)Source: Getty Images
THE Adelaide Crows are preparing to swoop on teenage sensation Jack Lukosius and will trade draft picks and even players to shift up in the draft order to get their man.

Foxfooty.com.au understands the club rates tall forward Lukosius over Izak Rankine, with both South Australian prospects among the handful of Pick 1 contenders.

A source familiar with the club’s planning said Adelaide is “desperate” to get Lukosius through the door.

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If the ladder stays the same, Adelaide will have picks 8, 13 (off Melbourne for Jake Lever), plus selections 19 and 37 (from Carlton for Bryce Gibbs).

This gives the Crows ample room to move in the trade period if they remain as keen on Lukosius as it’s believed they are now.

There are several highly rated South Australian prospects in the upcoming draft, with Connor Rozee and Jackson Hately expected to join Lukosius and Rankine in the first round.

These youngsters are even more attractive to the Crows given the their recent history of losing players to interstate clubs.

Lukosius, a 194cm key forward, was named in the All-Australian squad after a strong Under 18 Championships, averaging 15 disposals, 7.8 marks and booting nine goals.

Exciting small forward Rankine booted five goals in an eye-catching performance at Etihad Stadium, earning the 18-year-old back-to-back All-Australian honours.

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If Rory Sloane leaves as a free agent, the Crows will likely receive more first round compensation and could even trade in another selection if Mitch McGovern asks for a trade.

This could leave Adelaide with as many as five picks in the top 25, a position list manager Justin Reid could manipulate to jump up in the draft order to nab Lukosius.

The Brisbane v Carlton game on the weekend was dubbed ‘The Lukosius Cup’, but in truth experts argue the number one pick is far from a done deal more than four months out from the National Draft.

Sam Walsh and Max King are also in the mix, while Rankine’s best on ground performance last Wednesday at Etihad Stadium has him in the frame too.
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But according to the man who has an intricate knowledge of the draft, Lukosius is the frontrunner to be the first named called out in late November.

“Centre half back, centre forward, either one, it wouldn’t worry him. Even has a run on a wing at times,” AFL talent guru Kevin Sheehan told Foxfooty.com.au.

“He’s blessed with speed, he’s one touch in the air, reads it way ahead of other players, so he just sees it in flight and doesn’t fumble. For a player his size, his kicking is elite.

“He’s got an elite skill set.”

Foxfooty.com.au draft expert Matt Balmer ranked Lukosius at No.1 in his most recent power rankings, ahead of Victorians Max King and Sam Walsh.

Carlton currently sits 18th on the ladder and, two games behind Gold Coast in 17th, looks likely to receive the first pick in the national draft.

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Thinking about it now, why would Adelaide give up everything for one "hometown boy" when there would be ample they could pick up with the picks they have?

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What makes you think that top picks aren’t the most gifted (pure talent) and great footballers (skilled) in the land at the time? What makes you believe that recruiters would take Eddie Curnow before a Charlie Curnow? They don’t!

Talented footballers are taken with higher picks every day of the week. Hard workers are taken with later picks. Unfortunately, when it comes to recruiting it really is that simple in terms of drafting.

SOS set out to bring the most talented footballers (high draft picks) ie. Garlett, Pickett, etc. he could to help build the list as quickly as possible. He succeeded. Fact.

Bolton needs to develop these talented footballers and needs to work with all their faults as much as their positives to make them succeed. SOS has succeeded, Bolton ....... time will tell but I’m not confident anymore.

What rubbish, early picks have to be hard workers too!!

In his previous life, the list manager could make mistake after mistake after mistake... he had limitless first round selections for multiple drafts

O' Rourke - pick 2
Plowman - pick 3
Jaksck - pick 12

Yep, the most gifted and talented!!!

Plenty more examples, was Bolton at fault for Sumner's (pick 10) laziness too?

Pickett (pick 4) was contracted, yet GWS couldn't get him out the door fast enough... they saw him as lazy, unfit and uncoachable, they made that assessment after just 2 years, actually less than that!!!

It's also about work ethic, professionalism, and drive.... talent alone gets you nowhere.

Not one club would choose Pickett over Ronke

Our list is flowered, and that's on the list manager

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it's interesting. i see Judd's point. lets worry about and save our energy for the things we can control.

but i'm divided. it wouldn't take much energy for some fatcat on our board to write a letter and ask the AFL for a PP.


PP's have been given to benefit clubs all throughout the AFL's history ... and as it stands, we are the very worst AFL team which has ever gone around. it defies logic that not only would we not receive a pick; but we should receive the highest PP in the history of the AFL to reflect our position.

Plowman pick 3
Pickett pick 4
Summer pick 10
Jaksch pick 12
Kennedy pick 13

When you make a mistake you admit it

Yet Silvangi has given these guys 2 chances

Include all the recycled spuds
Kerridge
OShea etc


No wonder our lists depth hasn’t improved

I like what I see of Kennedy...been injured
I like what I see of Pickett...been injured
Summer - what did he cost us again?
Jaksch - I'd think GWS would be every happy with that one.

I get that Saturday hurt
I get people are angry

but the way the goalposts shift amazes me.

Our list is unbalanced but it has a lot of talent.

Cripps (mid)
Docherty
Curnow
Dow (mid)
Fisher (mid)
SPS (mid)
Marchbank
Phillips
Plowman (I like him, others don't)
O'Brien (mid)
Williamson
Weitering
Pickett
Mckay
Cunningham (mid)
Byrne
Kerr
SOS

(fingers crossed)
Macreadie
De Koning
Garlett
Schumacher
Polson

(Oldies but goodies)
Kruise
Murph (mid)
Simmo
Ed Curnow (mid)

(Oldies, play a part types)
Thomas
Rowe
Jones
Casboult
Wright
Alex Silvagni

why we are shit
age profile - our blokes any good are old or young - inbetween there is Doc and?
O'Shea
Kerridge (mid)
Mullet
Graham (mid)
Lang (mid - has been injured so may be a lot better than he has shown)
Lamb

Most glaring imbalance apart from age,
not enough genuine midfielders.

Fix the midfielders,
fix the age

see John run....

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Nailed it

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