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Author: | Blue Sombrero [ Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
GMCbris wrote: bluechampion wrote: So if the list is trimmed to 35 how do you break it down? 12 mids 10 forwards 10 defenders 3 rucks Our current list (positions according to the CFC website): Mids: Murphy Cripps Walsh Martin E. Curnow Dow Fisher Setterfield Newnes O'Brien Kemp Philp Ramsay Honey Cottrell (15) Forwards C. Curnow McKay Betts McGovern J. Silvagni Gibbons Casboult Kennedy Cunninham Phillips Lang Polson O'Dwywer Owies (14) Rucks Kreuzer De Koning Pittonet (3) Defenders Weitering Jones Docherty SPS Simpson Plowman Marchbank Stocker Newman Williamson B. Silvagni Macreadie Goddard (13) I've put probable outs in red, and possible retirements in green. I'll admit when I read that the teams could (maybe, possibly, would) need to reduce in size I thought, yer, I can see that, that will save some money. But looking at it like this ^ Unless they drop 2 players off the field, which I know has been discussed for a few years, I cant see who it could work. There just isnt enough cover for the injuries, and the kids who are developing/learning to be AFL players. If you get injuries, where do we pull the reserves from? I would hate so see the day where we need to play Cas as a midfielder due to injuries (not putting it past the big fella, he fills our holes nicely everywhere else - but you get the point) We have some very strange times ahead, and I feel we need a few more pieces of a puzzle to connect what the AFL have in mind for the game moving forward. This is the big problem. Unless there is a feeder comp, reducing the list simply won't work. I go back to having a stand alone VFL team made up of senior-list players and amateur academy, and F/S U18 and above. It's the only way I can see it if they slash the soft cap. IMO, the decision they make will need to be right or they will just create a dynasty for the really well off financially clubs like Collingwood, Hawthorn, WCE, Adelaide and Geelong with its home ground generating revenue. I can't see all 18 teams being around in 3 years. |
Author: | Paddycripps [ Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Not sure if I have said this already but one would have to think Ben Silvagni might be in trouble if the list is clipped. I cannot imagine he is in the top 95% of the players on the list right now. And I don't think the club's new management hold much sentimentality for the family bloodlines that permeate the list. It would be ironic if we lose one SOS and bring in another one. |
Author: | Rexy [ Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
BSOS could be an important player given the constant injuries to our kpp's. There's plenty of other fat to trim IMHO. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Paddycripps wrote: Not sure if I have said this already but one would have to think Ben Silvagni might be in trouble if the list is clipped. I cannot imagine he is in the top 95% of the players on the list right now. And I don't think the club's new management hold much sentimentality for the family bloodlines that permeate the list. It would be ironic if we lose one SOS and bring in another one. Nah easy to fit BSOS into 35 |
Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
The more I watch other teams the more I'm convinced our list is badly imbalanced, overloaded with talls/ non 'runners'. SOS did have a fascination with the big boys, and I reckon it's hurting us. Levi McGovern Harry Charlie Kreuzer Pittonet De Koning Jones Weitering Plowman Kemp Marchbank Macreadie Silvagni x 2 Goddard Moore Kennedy |
Author: | Walsh [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Jordan Gallucci and Brayden Fiorini coming out of contract. Throw what we can at Papley and list will look pretty good. |
Author: | Blue4ever [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
I would rate our midfield group in the bottom 3 of the league, no surprise we keep finding ourselves in the bottom 3. Cripps then Walsh then ???????? I believe our Forwards and Backs are better than a bottom 3 finish. Papley and a fit Curnow would be a very good forward line. |
Author: | SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Papley should not be our priority and the cost for him is better spent on a bloody midfielder. There is no use having another small forward, if you cannot win the bloody ball. So frustrating..... |
Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Blue4ever wrote: I would rate our midfield group in the bottom 3 of the league, no surprise we keep finding ourselves in the bottom 3. Cripps then Walsh then ???????? I believe our Forwards and Backs are better than a bottom 3 finish. Papley and a fit Curnow would be a very good forward line. yep, and instead of building midfield depth we seem to have targeted the big fish and come away empty handed |
Author: | sticksaftersiren87 [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 |
Author: | Sidefx [ Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
sticksaftersiren87 wrote: It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 I don't think high draft picks are the issue here. It's the fact everyone wants results now and they're pretty much either kids or not the body type to put on size to be competitive at the coal face playing against men. SOS should've put more value on picking up B+ grade mids from other teams to help some of these kids develop and be less exposed. And yes, I know we tried to get some guns from GWS but I think the bar was set too high and a bit one dimensional (mainly for marketing purposes). A Zak Jones or even an Ed Langdon would've been sufficient enough to make a noticeable difference in the middle. |
Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Sidefx wrote: sticksaftersiren87 wrote: It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 I don't think high draft picks are the issue here. It's the fact everyone wants results now and they're pretty much either kids or not the body type to put on size to be competitive at the coal face playing against men. SOS should've put more value on picking up B+ grade mids from other teams to help some of these kids develop and be less exposed. And yes, I know we tried to get some guns from GWS but I think the bar was set too high and a bit one dimensional (mainly for marketing purposes). A Zak Jones or even an Ed Langdon would've been sufficient enough to make a noticeable difference in the middle. Yep, it's as much about midfield depth |
Author: | sticksaftersiren87 [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Yep agree with that. Jones / Langdon type would help |
Author: | Sidefx [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
All we can hope is that we win enough games this year to keep Cripps and we have another crack at some senior bodies at the end of season. |
Author: | Sydney Blue [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Sidefx wrote: sticksaftersiren87 wrote: It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 I don't think high draft picks are the issue here. It's the fact everyone wants results now and they're pretty much either kids or not the body type to put on size to be competitive at the coal face playing against men. SOS should've put more value on picking up B+ grade mids from other teams to help some of these kids develop and be less exposed. And yes, I know we tried to get some guns from GWS but I think the bar was set too high and a bit one dimensional (mainly for marketing purposes). A Zak Jones or even an Ed Langdon would've been sufficient enough to make a noticeable difference in the middle. He had a fair crack at a few the fact that Bolton didn't play them whilst the others developed might be more the point. I know they are not B+ but they were all capable of midfield chop out Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
Author: | Cazzesman [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
I know SWFA about the NBA but since watching The Last Dance I'm a couch expert. I think we need this guy. Never heard of him before today but get him out of retirement. Cat B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UphWCvkj4 He's just brilliant. Sorry just adding some amusement to a dreary thread. I promise the vid will make you smile. Regards Cazzesman |
Author: | grrofunger [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Cazzesman wrote: I know SWFA about the NBA but since watching The Last Dance I'm a couch expert. I think we need this guy. Never heard of him before today but get him out of retirement. Cat B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UphWCvkj4 He's just brilliant. Sorry just adding some amusement to a dreary thread. I promise the vid will make you smile. Regards Cazzesman Incredible passer, the very last pass behind the back and off the elbow to Lafrentz is so ridiculous. |
Author: | SurreyBlue [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Cazzesman wrote: I know SWFA about the NBA but since watching The Last Dance I'm a couch expert. I think we need this guy. Never heard of him before today but get him out of retirement. Cat B. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UphWCvkj4 He's just brilliant. Sorry just adding some amusement to a dreary thread. I promise the vid will make you smile. Regards Cazzesman He is a special, special guard. I would say his teammates would be on the alert more then the opposition. Having said that the talls would owe him big time. |
Author: | Sidefx [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Sydney Blue wrote: Sidefx wrote: sticksaftersiren87 wrote: It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 I don't think high draft picks are the issue here. It's the fact everyone wants results now and they're pretty much either kids or not the body type to put on size to be competitive at the coal face playing against men. SOS should've put more value on picking up B+ grade mids from other teams to help some of these kids develop and be less exposed. And yes, I know we tried to get some guns from GWS but I think the bar was set too high and a bit one dimensional (mainly for marketing purposes). A Zak Jones or even an Ed Langdon would've been sufficient enough to make a noticeable difference in the middle. He had a fair crack at a few the fact that Bolton didn't play them whilst the others developed might be more the point. I know they are not B+ but they were all capable of midfield chop out Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk I think that's a weak cop out using Bolton as the scape goat for our lack of mature players helping develop the kids. From memory he was under the instruction to get games into the kids and build the young core. The exact opposite of what Teague is doing. Plus out of the players you have highlighted, only 3 are with the club which pretty much says it all. Especially seeing as though they never got a game at another AFL club afterwards. And to be honest I am not sure how Lang or Kennedy are still on our list and they're not even being used as midfielders under Teague for a reason. The only one that will most likely become a B+ midfielder is Setterfield and in 2019 under Bolton (effectively his first full season in the AFL) he played 7 out of a possible 11 games. Also if I recall correctly, he was suspended for two of those 11 games, then returned through the VFL. However I did like Lamb, who did play 18 out of 22 in his last season. But I don't think Bolton had much to do with his removal and we already know that he was hounding SOS for more true mids. Either way I'm sure we both can agree that Kennedy, Wiley, Palmer, Lang, Smedts and even Deluca would not have anywhere near the same impact in the middle to help Cripps vs a Zak Jones type etc. |
Author: | bondiblue [ Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: List Management 2020 |
Sidefx wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: Sidefx wrote: sticksaftersiren87 wrote: It's not like sos didn't try. In past 4 drafts, we have drafted SPS Fisher Dow Lob Walsh Stocker Philp 7 top 20 Picks For whatever reason none of them except Walsh played midfield in round 2 I don't think high draft picks are the issue here. It's the fact everyone wants results now and they're pretty much either kids or not the body type to put on size to be competitive at the coal face playing against men. SOS should've put more value on picking up B+ grade mids from other teams to help some of these kids develop and be less exposed. And yes, I know we tried to get some guns from GWS but I think the bar was set too high and a bit one dimensional (mainly for marketing purposes). A Zak Jones or even an Ed Langdon would've been sufficient enough to make a noticeable difference in the middle. He had a fair crack at a few the fact that Bolton didn't play them whilst the others developed might be more the point. I know they are not B+ but they were all capable of midfield chop out Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk I think that's a weak cop out using Bolton as the scape goat for our lack of mature players helping develop the kids. From memory he was under the instruction to get games into the kids and build the young core. The exact opposite of what Teague is doing. Plus out of the players you have highlighted, only 3 are with the club which pretty much says it all. Especially seeing as though they never got a game at another AFL club afterwards. And to be honest I am not sure how Lang or Kennedy are still on our list and they're not even being used as midfielders under Teague for a reason. The only one that will most likely become a B+ midfielder is Setterfield and in 2019 under Bolton (effectively his first full season in the AFL) he played 7 out of a possible 11 games. Also if I recall correctly, he was suspended for two of those 11 games, then returned through the VFL. However I did like Lamb, who did play 18 out of 22 in his last season. But I don't think Bolton had much to do with his removal and we already know that he was hounding SOS for more true mids. Either way I'm sure we both can agree that Kennedy, Wiley, Palmer, Lang, Smedts and even Deluca would not have anywhere near the same impact in the middle to help Cripps vs a Zak Jones type etc. Agree |
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