bondiblue wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
Hardwick didn’t play a young Cotchin in the backline, he gave him every possible opportunity to develop as a mid.
As Cotchin developed as a mid (by playing in the midfield), Richmond started to make meaningful progress.
I think you have the mental desire, drive, and intensity to get involved physically that is Cotchin, confused with the player that is SPS. SPS has none of the above.
SPS is a skillful player but he is not the player who will win you a hard fought, contested possession, in the heat of battle, in the centre square, when it counts. That's probably why he is not playing there.
I would have Fisher in the centre square rotations long before SPS.
Regards CazzesmanI think you’re the one who is confused, so I will spell it out for you in simple terms... players are being played out of position!!!!!
I agree with you, I would have Fisher in the centre square rotations too!!!
Fish averaged 19 touches a game as a 17 year old in the WAFL...
I would also have Dow (who was the best performed mid out of the top 10 kids in his draft year) in centre square rotations too!!!!
I wouldn’t totally banish the old boys, Curnow, Murphy etc there should be a balance, the youngsters need to develop, they are the ones who will take us significantly further....
As for SPS, his first 2 and half years playing as a mid/forward compared very well with Cotchin’s first few years... SPS had more Brownlow votes at the same stage of their careers.
Cotchin is a champion, however he had issues with his tank and dealing with tags, he wasn’t the finished product in his early years at Richmond, yet SPS, Dow or Fisher aren’t the finished product yet either, few are this early in their career.
However our three young mids have shown promising signs, who can win their own ball, and since Teague has arrived they’ve been banished from centre square rotations, stalling their development!!!
As for SPS, checkout his stats when played as a mid.... also checkout round 7, 2017 and round 5, 2019, he was brilliant (against serious opposition with excellent, deep midfields), contested possessions/clearances, i50s, tackles, score involvements etc. etc. etc. etc.
Cotchins career started with an achilles injury that kept him from virtually playing any football in his first year, and his second year started a long way behind. No hope of winning Brownlow votes. Carlton supporters let out a sigh of relief we took Kreuzer at No 1, not Cotchin. When Cotchin got on his bike, fit again, he showed us why he was taken at No2, and for some, like me, why he should have been taken at pick No 1.
I really wasn't kind towards Cotchin in his first 2 years, but I was young and silly back then.
But I understand why you want more time for players we drafted in the positions we drafted them for, and agree.
I'm not as cocky as you with regards to SPS ability.
Allright, he got Brownlow votes on a wet slippery day, and played another 20+ games in the midfield after that and didn't win another vote. Just sayin'.
Cotchin played 15 games in his first year, 10 in his second year... the knock on him as in TAC was his tank, and ability to handle tags... the good thing about watching Cotchin play in the TAC, was I got to see Kruezer play too...
As for SPS, against the Pies (Round 7 2017) on a wet slippery day:
16 Kicks, 5 Handballs, 21 Disposals, 4 Marks, 2 Goals, 1 Behind, 3 Tackles, 1 Goal Assist, 2 Inside 50s, 3 Clearances,
2 Clangers, 2 Rebound 50s, 10 Contested Disposals, 12 Uncontested Possessions, 15 Effective Disposals, 1 Mark Inside 50,
2 One Percenters, 1 Centre Clearance, 2 Stoppage Clearances, 7 Score Involvements, 312 Metres Gained, 4 Turnovers,
3 Intercepts, 1 Tackle Inside 50, 68% Time on Ground, 3 Brownlow Votes
Dogs (Round 5, 2019), under the roof, on a dry, fast track:
14 Kicks, 21 Handballs, 35 Disposals, 7 Marks, 1 Goals, 1 Behind, 0 Tackles, 0 Goal Assist, 4 Inside 50s, 7 Clearances,
4 Clangers, 2 Rebound 50s, 15 Contested Disposals, 23 Uncontested Possessions, 31 Effective Disposals, 1 Mark Inside 50,
2 One Percenters, 2 Centre Clearance, 5 Stoppage Clearances, 1 Score Involvements, 320 Metres Gained, 1 Turnover,
5 Intercepts, 0 Tackle Inside 50, 85% Time on Ground, 2 Brownlow Votes
You can see the improvement in his numbers...
He hunted the football, he hunted the man, he was creative, he was able to do it in different conditions (in the wet and under the roof), he won his own ball, on the inside/outside... was he the finished product, absolutely not, however he looks lost in the back half, and it's not like we're flush with mids of any age, we have no depth in the midfield, we get consistently run over in games, that might have something to do with the midfield...
All I'm advocating is giving some midfield time to SPS, Dow and Fish to spread the load, continue their development as mids, and to find out what we have...
Maybe all three of our boys are crap, they've all shown good signs as mids so maybe not, either way let's find out, especially since we need lot's of mids!!!
And SPS got Brownlow votes in two other games after the game against the Pies. Just sayin'.
You're a legend Colourman.
Good stuff.
The issue I see hear comparing Cotchin and SPS is that they are different types of players.
If SPS hunts the ball, Cotchin really really hunts the ball and man.
I do agree there's good reason to run the likes of SPS through the middle, not only because they have done successfully, and we recruited them for that purpose, but its also good for their development.
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