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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:50 am 
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That’s one big mother of a clean out coming. Perhaps 2-3 will remain from that list? Yowsers.

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 Post subject: List Management 2018
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Rexy wrote:
Remaining players out of contract -

06 - Kade Simpson - 2018
11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018
13 - Jed Lamb - 2018
33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018
36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018
39 - Dale Thomas - 2018
46 - Matthew Wright - 2018


Keep. Pickett for 2yrs


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Kerr has also signed a year extension


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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This we don't need a priority pick coming from the powers to be smacks of damaged egos and battered pride.
We would struggle in the vfl.
If I was the afl I would increase Carlton's salary cap by $1.2mill for 3 seasons to attract some talent and allow a priority pick in the first rounds of the draft for the next 2 to negotiate with or bring young talent in.
Right now our beloved Blues look like Fitzroy of the 90s and are cheapening the League.
And the supporters and members are really paying for it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:56 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Remaining players out of contract -

06 - Kade Simpson - 2018
11 - Sam Kerridge - 2018
13 - Jed Lamb - 2018
17 - Sam Rowe - 2018
18 - Aaron Mullett - 2018
24 - Cam O'Shea - 2018
32 - Nicholas Graham - 2018
33 - Jarrod Pickett - 2018
36 - Patrick Kerr - 2018
37 - Matthew Shaw (r) - 2018
39 - Dale Thomas - 2018
40 - Jesse Glass-McCasker (r) - 2018
42 - Kym LeBois (r) - 2018
44 - Alex Silvagni (r) - 2018
46 - Matthew Wright - 2018


Pickett needs to be resigned for multiple years and Simmo/Kerr for one year. And just coz we can’t get rid of all of them, I’d probably take Kerridge for another year and one or two of Wright, Thomas and Lamb.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:36 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:23 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!


Yep and they were warned at the time that trading a durable solid regular 20-22 game player might not be the best idea.
Remember being a lone voice at the time on BF, getting abused left right and center lol and banned by those idiot lemming SOSbot mods over there. F### you if any of you are here reading this lol.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:37 pm 
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smithy wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!


Yep and they were warned at the time that trading a durable solid regular 20-22 game player might not be the best idea.
Remember being a lone voice at the time on BF, getting abused left right and center lol and banned by those idiot lemming SOSbot mods over there. F### you if any of you are here reading this lol.




Unfortunately there are a lot of “remain calm all is well type” in both forums and what’s worse “let’s build a statue” types as well.


Then there are the “researchers” and their “hooray Henry” cheerleader types who love a good quote.

Just relax everything’s going to be fine.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:54 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!



He may very well have been insulted by the offer. I have read numerous articles where he points to that, but I believe it was more than just the $. However,i didn’t know that about Lamb’s contract being higher for instance. That is shocking.

However, the fact remains that free agency is a mighty carrot, trading in general is mighty alluring for good players to get to finals clubs. Will you be surprised if Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn make the finals yet again? I won’t.

In my opinion Tuohy was one of Carlton’s top half dozen players, so to treat this issue so pathetically by the club is yet another kick in the guts. I must also mention that the last time I watched The Footy Show was over a year ago? when Tuohy was on it. Both him and Brownless were laughing it up at Carlton’s expense, thinking it was a nice old joke he got out of the Blues. It was distasteful.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:16 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!



He may very well have been insulted by the offer. I have read numerous articles where he points to that, but I believe it was more than just the $. However,i didn’t know that about Lamb’s contract being higher for instance. That is shocking.

However, the fact remains that free agency is a mighty carrot, trading in general is mighty alluring for good players to get to finals clubs. Will you be surprised if Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn make the finals yet again? I won’t.

In my opinion Tuohy was one of Carlton’s top half dozen players, so to treat this issue so pathetically by the club is yet another kick in the guts. I must also mention that the last time I watched The Footy Show was over a year ago? when Tuohy was on it. Both him and Brownless were laughing it up at Carlton’s expense, thinking it was a nice old joke he got out of the Blues. It was distasteful.


He thought the way he was treated was distasteful, he is not on big money at the Cats.

Brownless is a goose, Tuohy was shown the door.

Tuohy was a guest on On the Couch last year, he was still upset at what went down, he wanted to be a one club player


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:44 pm 
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Re priority pick.

If the club does want a PP would it have been smart to come out and ask for one?

If Carlton remains on one win for the year with a terrible percentage do you think the AFL will say "yep, they don't need one"?

If the AFL do reward Carlton a PP other clubs can't really have a sook at Carlton given the public stance Carlton have.

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If the AFL do reward Carlton a PP other clubs can't really have a sook at Carlton given the public stance Carlton have.

Whateley says OUTRAGE!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:01 pm 
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smithy wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!


Yep and they were warned at the time that trading a durable solid regular 20-22 game player might not be the best idea.
Remember being a lone voice at the time on BF, getting abused left right and center lol and banned by those idiot lemming SOSbot mods over there. F### you if any of you are here reading this lol.


Hmmm I've never been of BF but I can't imagain how you could possibly write anything that people would be offended by. Haha.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
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You weren’t and aren’t alone on that Smithy. I’ve been raising the trading of these players for years.
The more knowledgeable and well informed on these forums however .........


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:51 am 
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Crippa wrote:
smithy wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Silvagni actually has some good suggestions here about free agency in this article.
Eg top 8 clubs can only get free agents from other top 8 clubs.

Let’s face facts. Carlton lost Zach Tuohy for example as he wanted to play in a competitive team. He tried to hide it in the interviews saying it was about $$, yeah sure but we all know the real reason he left.

You can bet your bottom $ that the AFL will be slow to react about free agency. It is vital they do something now, not in 3 years time, as most of the high quality free agents go to top teams, further entrenching inequality.

I would also suggest reforming the draft.eg Carlton pick 1, 14& 23. for coming last instead of just pick 1. Pick 14 might have to be used for a trade? Something that gives more than just a teenager that takes 4 years to develop.

If the AFL can’t do any of the above, perhaps it is time to go nuclear option-full free market, no draft, no salary cap. Wage explosion. Carlton could compete in that environment.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlt ... b0dce3c8f1


He wasn't hiding anything, he didn't want to leave, which is why he was pissed when the list manager low balled him!

Tuohy was offered less than what we were paying Lamb!!

The list manager wanted Geelong's first rounder to use for the Marchbank trade, therefore Tuohy was expendable and considered easily replaceable.

So Marchbank cost us pick 23 & Tuohy; more astute trading by the list manager.

No problem getting Marchbank, it's what we paid; we did get Smedts & pick 63 (Polson) as well.

The list manager bangs on about a dearth of players in the right age group, he got rid of one who didn't want to leave!!!


Yep and they were warned at the time that trading a durable solid regular 20-22 game player might not be the best idea.
Remember being a lone voice at the time on BF, getting abused left right and center lol and banned by those idiot lemming SOSbot mods over there. F### you if any of you are here reading this lol.


Hmmm I've never been of BF but I can't imagain how you could possibly write anything that people would be offended by. Haha.


:lol: :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:57 am 
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Sam Fisher should be picked up by us
Is in this years draft

But don’t worry we will miss him liked
We missed Lambert

And while all this goes on we signed
A 31 year old for two years who is passed
It and doesn’t like it tough

Fisher is clearly a late bloomer who knows
How to get the pill
Better than Kennedy for sure
But SOS wants to prove himself right
By giving guys a second chance that he got with
High picks when he worked for the Giants
Plowman no pace shit kick
Pickett a footy tease looks great with pace
But shit footy brain
Kennedy another guy who can’t kick
Slower than a glacier on tranquillisers

A mate told me that Boekhurst and SOS
Clashed and was anyone surprised by his delisting

I was given his form in the latter part of 2017

SOS is a stubborn bloke
Watch his interview onOpen Mike to be convinced
Of this

Anyway food for thought

Interesting if Fisher is picked up
Because he is the type of player
We need

He certainly is better than
Mullet
O’Shea
Shaw
Lamb
That’s for sure


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Donstuie wrote:
Effes wrote:
If the AFL do reward Carlton a PP other clubs can't really have a sook at Carlton given the public stance Carlton have.

Whateley says OUTRAGE!!!!!


It's amazing that a team that has been noncompetitive for as long as Carlton has is being seen as not deserving of a priority pick by both the AFL media and footballing public.

The consensus seems to be that because we've traded out/let walk senior talent that we shouldn't be given anything.
Seems to ignore the fact that we were almost as shit when those players were here.

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What quality players would want to come to Carlton?

What quality players would want to stay at Carlton?

We can spin, sell and mitigate all we like but are we going to be able to attract and retain the players we need?

The honest answer to these questions troubles me.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2018
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:04 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Sam Fisher should be picked up by us
Is in this years draft

But don’t worry we will miss him liked
We missed Lambert

And while all this goes on we signed
A 31 year old for two years who is passed
It and doesn’t like it tough

Fisher is clearly a late bloomer who knows
How to get the pill
Better than Kennedy for sure
But SOS wants to prove himself right
By giving guys a second chance that he got with
High picks when he worked for the Giants
Plowman no pace shit kick
Pickett a footy tease looks great with pace
But shit footy brain
Kennedy another guy who can’t kick
Slower than a glacier on tranquillisers

A mate told me that Boekhurst and SOS
Clashed and was anyone surprised by his delisting

I was given his form in the latter part of 2017

SOS is a stubborn bloke
Watch his interview onOpen Mike to be convinced
Of this

Anyway food for thought

Interesting if Fisher is picked up
Because he is the type of player
We need

He certainly is better than
Mullet
O’Shea
Shaw
Lamb
That’s for sure


I was never confident about SOS recruiting the GWS second tier players. Even less confident now. I think most will be a bust. That is concerning as I think they were earmarked to provide that depth we sorely lack. Will set us back again. I am convinced that if you are not a destination club with the current player restrictions and FA rules, then you will struggle to rebuild through the draft. We are discovering that now.


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