Great post BG72.

I think MM has mellowed with age, and probably feels more comfortable with himself in the footy world, plus with the Blues' lifeline after he had been shafted, he would be feeling good about himself post sacking whatever you want to call it. The fact is, it has been proven he is still in demand...and has won flags at 2 previous clubs he coached....plus heaps of GF's.

My view on the Sydney thing is that the players aren't flying under the radar in Sydney. They are not anonymous, and I reckon (from my experience) they gel and stick together in this foreign land called Sydney (given most are interstaters) as much as interstaters playing in the Carlton team. The club becomes their professional and social life to a large extenet.

So how many on our list are from interstate? Heaps!
We have the foreign legion power too.

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Yeah well, Clarkson beats up on walls and swears with children in ear-shot.
The Scott brothers whinge like a pair of school girls.
Bomber Thompson takes the crown when it comes to lying with Ross Lyon a very close second.
Vossy is..........well..............sadly, Vossy.
Sheedy had lost the plot years ago, according to most.
Hirdy plays up behind his wife's back, etc etc.

Roos the new way forward? I don't know but I'm not into New Age.

End Game: We don't have Roos and should he venture into coaching again, it won't be with us. Done.

I reckon Mick's more likely to die in the job than give it up.

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Thanks Ed.

Just did a quick check on our list to see where our players come from, and I'm shocked that the non Melbournians is so high...I knew there were heaps.:

Interstaters 21 (FMD more than I thought)
Regional Vic 5 (includes Geelong)
Originally Vic from interstate clubs 2 (Judd and Hendo)
Melbourne based clubs 14 (most from TAC)

Yep we have a foreign legion like Sydney does..just not as many.

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I'll provide the context so you hopefully understand, but after your Wellingham trade comments.....

Stamos made the assertion that if Judd and Waite next year were to miss the same number of games that Hodge (14) and Franklin (6) missed during the H & A season this year, and we have no other significant injuries then he believes we would easily finish top 2. As you know, the Hawks finished on top of the ladder!

By the way, I agree with your comparison, but that's not what we're talking about here...

BB, please read the post above... nothing to do with Hodge, Ball & Judd!!

Sometimes comprehension isn't a strong point around here

never say never with Roos, but by then, there may be others carrying a similar philosophy. I didn't mean being new to coaching or 'young' when I said old school V new. I meant carrying a more evolved holistic approach. Putting an emphasis on personal growth, family and connectedness at Sydney, has taken them a long way. Meditation does bring calm, attention to detail, health benefits, and great perspective. Should be mandatory for Alistair. if you've ever practiced it, then fallen off the wagon for awhile, you'll know the difference it can make.
I don't know if they still do yoga in a group way up there, but of course there are great benefits from that too, as it also involves breathing techniques that calm the mind. If that's what you mean by 'new age' anyway. I think those things are more timeless age.
So, new or younger coach might not value any of the things that Roosy brought to the club, just to clarify that point.
Of course, you don't need any of that stuff to win flags either. Malty no doubt has plenty of tricks in his bag. As you say, we move on.
Have we missed an opportunity for real cultural change at the club?
So far, it look like we might have. No decisive hand at the wheel to take a stance with Scotto.

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Great point there BB.
Do we have factions in our playing group?
If so, we need a uniter in the new coach. Let's hope that's one of his skills.

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If we do yoga and get all warm and fuzzy can we have 10% extra salary cap space as well?

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yes. it's all one GWS.

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Getting back to the original point, grand final or failure is the equation next season. This is all short term desperation, he doesn't have 17 years grace as he took between getting 2 flags with a WCE list more loaded with talent than GWS will be, or than Brizzy were 01-03, to 2010 when he had the resources of the richest club in the land and almost blew it. Ratts , who wasn't a great (or expensive) coach got us to 3pts from a prelim. MM needs to do way better immediately

I am not sure why we had to make the decision so quickly given Mick is so keen he is not fronting till November sometime. We could have appointed him Cup Day and it would make no difference. It seems a confused and desperate appointment. We interviewed one candidate (or he interviewed us). Our Pres asserted after the GC game that there wd be a full review and no decision till seasons end and the completion of the full review, next day we sack the coach and MM is giving a blow by blow description over radio about how we were going in begging him to take the job.

MM may well be the messiah, but if not we are truly stuffed. The benefactors may lose interest the supporters will be disillusioned, our massive debt won't have gone away and we still won't be any nearer to a flag or any sort of culture that is likely to produce one.

The next three years may well be the most crucial in our history. When I went to my first Carlton game in the mid 1960s, we sat one behind Fitzroy on the premiership ladder. If we have got things wrong this time our third millenium may be very sad. It is a whole new competition and landscape and we have been the worst club to understand it. We don't appear to have any sort of business model that generates anything like the revenue to sustain the team, we appear to rely massively on the largesse of a few supporters which is not sustainable in the long term and turns the club into a play thing for a few rich folks who get gifted their seat on the board until such time as they lose interest. Our administrative culture appears not to have advanced beyond the 1980s. If MM doesn't deliver then we may well sink, with poor structure and business model, ageing supporter base eroded through lack of success and lack of connection with the club

What we actually need is not an ageing short term coach who may or may not deliver short term success, we need an intelligent, committed, visionary leader of the club at board level and then a coach who can deliver culture change across the football dept. That may take longer than three years, and yet all our thinking is instant success. You don't appoint a 60 year old for the long term and you don't have a 14 person committee if you want any sort of effective and consistent leadership from the board.

This is not a new problem, we have been too short term for 30 years, what did we build from the success of 1987? Nothing in 2 years we were out of the fiansl. 1995, same thing. We have blown our chance for a dynsaty through wasted drafting (how many stars have we got between pick 2 and 30 despite many chances) and poor appointments.

I am depressed by it all. Get a flag next year Mick and I'll overlook my intense dislike of you.

fmd

Seriously, I don't get the fixation people have with Roos... we asked him and he turned us down... End of story. You can't expect the club to go into a holding pattern wilst waiting for Tammy's approval.

Bring on 2013...

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Guys horse is the mastermind at the Swans

Roos is pr

Mm may need time we have to completely reinvent and in fact create a defensive structure and mindset

Roos would have been a good get no doubt, but I get the impression that some here would have then pined for not getting Malthouse.

Malthouse said that being out of the game more than one year is too long as the game moves along too quickly and you won't catch up.
If this is half true, Roos would have been coming from a long way back after three years out of the game, come 2013.

Some of this Grand Final or bust talk, is just a show of petulance.
As we saw this year with our injury count, anything can happen.

Make no mistake that teams Adelaide, Sydney and North had better years than expected for not having the injury hit that Carlton, Collingwood and West Coast had.
The Grand Final had two teams with only one player each, missing from their best 22. Coincidence?

What did Paul Roos say to the Hamburger shop guy?

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Good post.

This is why it's hard to just talk about the coach in isolation, and why many threads end up becoming the same discussion: our success depends on the whole club operating effectively, starting with intelligent and committed leadership from the very top.

I'm still amazed that people can be so blasé about kernahan (oh, let him stick around another year, he deserves it, etc). We're still the same ordinary bunch we were in 2012, except we've changed our coach.

I'm still happy we did that, it's just that I have zero confidence in those who made the decision. Ah well, I think I'm nearly reconciled to the fact that we're nothing like the Carlton I grew up with. we're ordinary in so many ways now.

Fact is, most of us are pleased malthouse is involved not because of his coaching prowess, but because we think he can fill a leadership vacuum across the whole club. This, of course, should be unnecessary. But while we have empty suits running the joint, it sadly is.