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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:02 pm 
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So the reluctant president only has 18 months to go???
Thats not soon... soon is before Christmas.

18 months is 2 seasons.

The guy is hoping for a premiership... The guy being Sticks....
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He has Juddy for a couple more years
Gibbs a couple more years
Murph for 2 more
Gibbs for 2 more
Yarran for 2 more
Kreuzer for 2 more
Robbo for 2 more...

and Cloke for 5 more.

After those 2 seasons are done...... we arent sure what state our list will be in salary cap wise....
But yeah.... hes hoping for a MM flag inside 2 years..... isnt he??

Then the reluctant president will go.....

But the board is being reduced by a nett loss of one...

The problem is Sticks... he stinks!!!


Lot's of questions there Synners, but I can't answer any of them.

All I can say is what I heard, I don't know his motives.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:05 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
So the reluctant president only has 18 months to go???
Thats not soon... soon is before Christmas.

18 months is 2 seasons.

The guy is hoping for a premiership... The guy being Sticks....
Signed
He has Juddy for a couple more years
Gibbs a couple more years
Murph for 2 more
Gibbs for 2 more
Yarran for 2 more
Kreuzer for 2 more
Robbo for 2 more...

and Cloke for 5 more.

After those 2 seasons are done...... we arent sure what state our list will be in salary cap wise....
But yeah.... hes hoping for a MM flag inside 2 years..... isnt he??

Then the reluctant president will go.....

But the board is being reduced by a nett loss of one...

The problem is Sticks... he stinks!!!


Lot's of questions there Synners, but I can't answer any of them.

All I can say is what I heard, I don't know his motives.


Hes hoping MM gets him out of the shitter in 2 years.
Thats the translation.

He will stay for 2 years... unless someone comes along and pops him.....

He has worked tirelessly to shore himself up.

He is Sticks @#$%&! the rest!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:17 pm 
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My frustration (not anger) is with a President who over 15 years has done nothing to suggest he knows what he is doing. Without going into the detail that has been covered already, we are a middle of the road club in how we operate, and are miles behind the power clubs like Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn etc. Kernahan has been involved with board after board that has failed to elevate us back to where we can consider ourselves to be one of the power clubs, which is where we all want us to be.


There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez.



But previous to that over the past 15 years:

- member of the board
- Football Director
- Vice President

But do carry on. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:22 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
My frustration (not anger) is with a President who over 15 years has done nothing to suggest he knows what he is doing. Without going into the detail that has been covered already, we are a middle of the road club in how we operate, and are miles behind the power clubs like Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn etc. Kernahan has been involved with board after board that has failed to elevate us back to where we can consider ourselves to be one of the power clubs, which is where we all want us to be.


There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez.



But previous to that over the past 15 years:

- member of the board
- Football Director
- Vice President

But do carry on. :roll:


Yes, he's held those positions.

I don't see your point.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:23 pm 
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Synbad wrote:

Hes hoping MM gets him out of the shitter in 2 years.
Thats the translation.

He will stay for 2 years... unless someone comes along and pops him.....

He has worked tirelessly to shore himself up.

He is Sticks !@#$%& the rest!!!


I'm kinda hoping MM gets us out of the sh1t as well.

If Sticks steps down between now and then, what issue could you have with that?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:34 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
AGRO wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:

There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez.



But previous to that over the past 15 years:

- member of the board
- Football Director
- Vice President

But do carry on. :roll:


Yes, he's held those positions.

I don't see your point.



That's right Sticks has sat on the board for 15 years ( probably the longest serving member on it) and has either done nothing or is responsible for everything, so you tell me what your point is. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:01 pm 
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Sticks is an empty suit posing as a Chairman, and it's amazing people can't see it.

At Moonee Valley AGM, right after Brittain got the arse, he told the members that Jack looks after the money side of things, and as VP he looks after the football side of things.

Last week, he tells us that he had nothing to do with the sacking of Brittain.

Patently, one of those statements is a lie.

He also tells us that he had absolutely nothing to do with the sacking of Pagan. Despite the fact that Pratt was on record (and I quote) "I leave all football matters up to Sticks". Hmmm.

Kernahan also peddled the idea that he's some kind of reluctant president, just keeping the chair warm until a better candidate is found... Yet now he tells us he's sticking around until 2014. Why? Because he can't find someone better than himself? He could find someone better than himself randomly in the phone book.

This guy either is grossly imcompetent, because as the 'football guy' on the board he's been responsible for stuff-up after stuff-up forbear after year.. Or, if we believe him and he's actually had nothing to do with football matters such as appointing the senior coach... Then he actually does nothing at all around the place. Because he sure as hell doesn't make business decisions.

Yet he's been on the board for 15 of our worst years, most of them as either VP or President. And in his role as VP alongside Elliot and Collo and Smorgon and Pratt...all he can do is deny involvement in ANY dodgy football related decision taken by the club during those years.

It's really sad.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:05 pm 
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Sticks is a better president this year than last year.......

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:21 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Sticks is an empty suit posing as a Chairman, and it's amazing people can't see it.

At Moonee Valley AGM, right after Brittain got the arse, he told the members that Jack looks after the money side of things, and as VP he looks after the football side of things.

Last week, he tells us that he had nothing to do with the sacking of Brittain.

Patently, one of those statements is a lie.

He also tells us that he had absolutely nothing to do with the sacking of Pagan. Despite the fact that Pratt was on record (and I quote) "I leave all football matters up to Sticks". Hmmm.

Kernahan also peddled the idea that he's some kind of reluctant president, just keeping the chair warm until a better candidate is found... Yet now he tells us he's sticking around until 2014. Why? Because he can't find someone better than himself? He could find someone better than himself randomly in the phone book.

This guy either is grossly imcompetent, because as the 'football guy' on the board he's been responsible for stuff-up after stuff-up forbear after year.. Or, if we believe him and he's actually had nothing to do with football matters such as appointing the senior coach... Then he actually does nothing at all around the place. Because he sure as hell doesn't make business decisions.

Yet he's been on the board for 15 of our worst years, most of them as either VP or President. And in his role as VP alongside Elliot and Collo and Smorgon and Pratt...all he can do is deny involvement in ANY dodgy football related decision taken by the club during those years.

It's really sad.


And as I've posted earlier, he get's elected, he's standing down, and life goes on.

The only sad thing John is you need to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and just when it looks like you might finally have exhausted all your whiney batteries there's just a little bit more and more and more and more and more and more..................

But wait there's more .....................

At least Synbad keeps it short and sweet, kinda.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:26 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
That's right Sticks has sat on the board for 15 years ( probably the longest serving member on it) and has either done nothing or is responsible for everything, so you tell me what your point is. :lol:


He's obviously a mastermind AGRO to run the club from the subordinate positions. :screwy:

Like I said, he'll be gone soon.

Malty is in the bag, flags are just round the corner and Sticks may well be in charge.

Surely that's what we all want.

GET FLAGS!!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:26 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Sticks is an empty suit posing as a Chairman, and it's amazing people can't see it.

At Moonee Valley AGM, right after Brittain got the arse, he told the members that Jack looks after the money side of things, and as VP he looks after the football side of things.

Last week, he tells us that he had nothing to do with the sacking of Brittain.

Patently, one of those statements is a lie.

He also tells us that he had absolutely nothing to do with the sacking of Pagan. Despite the fact that Pratt was on record (and I quote) "I leave all football matters up to Sticks". Hmmm.

Kernahan also peddled the idea that he's some kind of reluctant president, just keeping the chair warm until a better candidate is found... Yet now he tells us he's sticking around until 2014. Why? Because he can't find someone better than himself? He could find someone better than himself randomly in the phone book.

This guy either is grossly imcompetent, because as the 'football guy' on the board he's been responsible for stuff-up after stuff-up forbear after year.. Or, if we believe him and he's actually had nothing to do with football matters such as appointing the senior coach... Then he actually does nothing at all around the place. Because he sure as hell doesn't make business decisions.

Yet he's been on the board for 15 of our worst years, most of them as either VP or President. And in his role as VP alongside Elliot and Collo and Smorgon and Pratt...all he can do is deny involvement in ANY dodgy football related decision taken by the club during those years.

It's really sad.


And as I've posted earlier, he get's elected, he's standing down, and life goes on.



Do tell. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:28 pm 
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You're the serial winker AGRO, you tell me.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:29 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
AGRO wrote:
That's right Sticks has sat on the board for 15 years ( probably the longest serving member on it) and has either done nothing or is responsible for everything, so you tell me what your point is. :lol:


He's obviously a mastermind AGRO to run the club from the subordinate positions. :screwy:

!!



The only screwy thing around here is the view that a Board is a subordinate to the company that it is meant to be controlling. :wink: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:33 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
AGRO wrote:
That's right Sticks has sat on the board for 15 years ( probably the longest serving member on it) and has either done nothing or is responsible for everything, so you tell me what your point is. :lol:


He's obviously a mastermind AGRO to run the club from the subordinate positions. :screwy:

!!



The only screwy thing around here is the view that a Board is a subordinate to the company that it is meant to be controlling. :wink: :lol:


yeah.

the board?

ok.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:33 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
My frustration (not anger) is with a President who over 15 years has done nothing to suggest he knows what he is doing. Without going into the detail that has been covered already, we are a middle of the road club in how we operate, and are miles behind the power clubs like Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn etc. Kernahan has been involved with board after board that has failed to elevate us back to where we can consider ourselves to be one of the power clubs, which is where we all want us to be.


There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez. Its also unfair not to give credit to improvements the club has made in his time. The position the club finds itself in is significantly better than it has been for a decade, it's far from perfect, but there seem's a plan to get to a better postition.

It's also a fact, a fact that many like to ridicule, that he is president because the board elects him. He doesn't own the position the board, a collection of people with variety of skills and qualities (not all of them useful in running a club) choose him.

I think he is fully aware of his shortcomings and he's making way for a better (hopefully) qualified person. A person who may be able to juggle the competing personalities of the people who make up the board more skillfully. A person who makes hard decisions with much less angst and makes good decisions more confidently.

Aha. So Sticks makes hard decisions but with angst, and he makes good decisions but without much confidence? You're kidding!! What hard decisions has he made?? And what good decisions has he made???

How does this guy get such a good run?? I am amazed and have been ever since I returned to Australia and saw Carlton's history revised by his fans.

As I've said before, I admire his prowess as a footballer - he was after all our third or fourth best captain in the last 40 years and probably our third best CHF and third best FF. But that doesn't mean anything outside the white line.

Just like great footballers don't necessarily make good coaches (see Tim Watson, Royce Hart), don't necessarily makes good commentators (Steve Silvagni, Ron Barassi), and don't necessarily make good actors (Tim Watson, Dermott Brereton) - they don't necessarily make good presidents. And this one has made a pretty bad president.

To paraphrase the immortal words of King Henry II - "will no-one rid us of this troublesome prez?"

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:44 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Siegfried wrote:
My frustration (not anger) is with a President who over 15 years has done nothing to suggest he knows what he is doing. Without going into the detail that has been covered already, we are a middle of the road club in how we operate, and are miles behind the power clubs like Collingwood, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney, Hawthorn etc. Kernahan has been involved with board after board that has failed to elevate us back to where we can consider ourselves to be one of the power clubs, which is where we all want us to be.


There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez. Its also unfair not to give credit to improvements the club has made in his time. The position the club finds itself in is significantly better than it has been for a decade, it's far from perfect, but there seem's a plan to get to a better postition.

It's also a fact, a fact that many like to ridicule, that he is president because the board elects him. He doesn't own the position the board, a collection of people with variety of skills and qualities (not all of them useful in running a club) choose him.

I think he is fully aware of his shortcomings and he's making way for a better (hopefully) qualified person. A person who may be able to juggle the competing personalities of the people who make up the board more skillfully. A person who makes hard decisions with much less angst and makes good decisions more confidently.

Aha. So Sticks makes hard decisions but with angst, and he makes good decisions but without much confidence? You're kidding!! What hard decisions has he made?? And what good decisions has he made???



I think he has trouble making hard decision and I don't know if he has enough confidence (or skill even) to make the right ones.

I think you're agreeing with me but got confused in your rush to bash Sticks once more.

He's not terrific but he's on the way out.

Ratt's is gone so naturally the bile once divided between Sticks and his little mate now falls to Sticks alone.

Shakespeare was a nice touch though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:25 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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There is no doubt we are a middle of the road club, but it's unfair (IMO) to lay the blame of all our ills at the feet of the current Prez. Its also unfair not to give credit to improvements the club has made in his time. The position the club finds itself in is significantly better than it has been for a decade, it's far from perfect, but there seem's a plan to get to a better postition.

It's also a fact, a fact that many like to ridicule, that he is president because the board elects him. He doesn't own the position the board, a collection of people with variety of skills and qualities (not all of them useful in running a club) choose him.

I think he is fully aware of his shortcomings and he's making way for a better (hopefully) qualified person. A person who may be able to juggle the competing personalities of the people who make up the board more skillfully. A person who makes hard decisions with much less angst and makes good decisions more confidently.

Aha. So Sticks makes hard decisions but with angst, and he makes good decisions but without much confidence? You're kidding!! What hard decisions has he made?? And what good decisions has he made???



I think he has trouble making hard decision and I don't know if he has enough confidence (or skill even) to make the right ones.

I think you're agreeing with me but got confused in your rush to bash Sticks once more.

He's not terrific but he's on the way out.

Ratt's is gone so naturally the bile once divided between Sticks and his little mate now falls to Sticks alone.

Shakespeare was a nice touch though.

1. I'm not agreeing with you.
2. I'm not confused.
3. Congratulations on putting apostrophes in the right place for once.
4. I do agree with one thing - he's not terrific.
5. Oops, I spoke too soon..... Ratt's.
6. I never had any bile directed to Ratts. I occasionally expressed my frustration with his coaching - usually IN PRIVATE.
7. I have no bile for Sticks. a) I said he was a good footballer; and b) you yourself agree that he's not a good president. So I reckon that YOU are the one with bile directed at Sticks. Come on mate - he's a Carlton legend. Give him some respect!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:27 am 
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I have no bile for Sticks. a) I said he was a good footballer
Damning with faint praise.
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Ratten's stature has increased a lot the last two weeks
So has Sticks' stature like it or not

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