Thornton, Fisher at odds (Fisher & Thornton re-signed)

bondiblue · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:36 pm

The Cranium wrote

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don't know how you can stay positive bondi.

You better believe I'm upset. I have to go through all my 2007-8 teams all over again to create a gap, and fill in gaps, and assume I've got it right. Yes, he was part of my resurgence team. I'm sure most of you are in the same boat. My teams are in excel, with no links....it's all manual...hard labour...Thornton has done this to me, and as usual, I'll have the last laugh....I'm gonna win over his girlfriend now...and my team will win a flag before his team does. Hamill's curse will catch up with him.
But I can see light. We will continue to rebuild.

I feel like a prick at the moment, because I know how girlfriends felt when I left and didn't even say "it's over".

But life goes on....and so does Carlton.

He's gone. Now lets play hard ball.

Thornton is not Carlton.

Thornton is dead.

Hawks believe Thornton is great, a true KPP, that's great, I hope they really believe that because then they can give us a great pick(s).

Don't worry, Hawks are committed, and we'll have our cake and eat it too.

You've got to wait and see for the result of this action before it's all doom and gloom...wait till after the PSD and EGM...then we'll have stability....it's not too far away...I'm sure we'll all feel better.

PS: I still can't let go the Hamill situation, so I expect this bad feeling will stay with me for a long time...it's about Carlton, I can't let go. As long as they don't win a flag, I'll be right. Those 2 will retire from footy in a few years time, and I'll still be barracking for Carlton. They'll be dead, but carlton will live forever.

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:39 pm

CarltonClem wrote:

MarkNo3 wrote:

RAPPA wrote:

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=302128

Thornton wants out and is looking to be traded to Hawthorn. Just another why this club frustrates the #*$&#@ out of me. One of our most pivotal players he will leave a major gap and we can major thumpings next year with out pitiful defence.
I wish him all the best, he'll enjoy more success at the Hawks but I wonder if they will give us a first round pick, or a player and second round pick?

He is not one of our most pivital players FFS and if the Dorks dont hand over at least a first round then into the draft or elsewhere he goes :lol:

. More success at the Hawks - Yeah sure. They will finish below us next year - Oh no :roll:

the rest of our disilusioned supporters on this site will see that as yet another strategic move to gain a quality player and rocket up the ladder :roll:

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Why are you so bitter?

Were you this bitter when Hamill left?

Were you this bitter when Camporeale wanted his 500K?

Tell me truthfully, do you think Camporeale is worth more than Thornton? If you do, then you'd have to have rocks in your head buddy.

Hamill was insulted and that probably tipped him over the edge in decided money or loyalty. I hated it when Hamill left - we lost a player we needed.

Campo was a used up hack that hung us out to dry - he had served his purpose. I was disgusted when campo left but at the end of the day if we offered him what he wanted or even made half an offer he also probably would have stayed.

No I dont think Campo was (see my post in the recuitment section to my current sentiments re Mcgeggor).

The fact remains that we offered what the Dorks have and he wants greener pastures. Well we gave the snide prick a chance when no one else wanted him - I think he is overrated and now will be overpaid(but fair enough in a free market you get what the market is willing to pay - even if its over the odds).

If the prick came out and said "hey im not happy here set up a suitable trade" then I would have no animosity towards him. Again fact is we met his demands which given the outcome were unnessary unless he was deliberately :idea:

was pushing up his value. He is a spineless little prick with not integrity, honesty or balls(is that ok mods).

Is that ok Clem. I dislike him becuase as far as im concerned he used us and wasnt honest about his intentions. He has dragged the club into the headlines at a time when we only need them for the right reasons not the wrong. So @#$%&! him.

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:41 pm

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Nipple.

Mrs 3 is pierced will that do :lol:

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:44 pm

Elwood you are actually with Rippa - Clem was questioning my motivation for my spite or are you as well?

Simply we are asking what the markets is prepared to pay - not his market worth. As a club we can do very very well out of this. Other clubs will see it as an opportunity to steal a valuable :roll:

Carlton asset (yeah in this current climent) We should be seeing it as trading a rook for a King.

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:46 pm

thehalford wrote:

Can you feel the love? :lol:

No the bloody Saints lost.

Oh well at least I dont live in the heartland anymore :lol:

Kouta · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:46 pm

Thornton re-signs. :twisted:

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

Make no mistake - this could be the start of an exodus of Carlton players to other clubs, maybe not just this year, but in years to come if the coach is not replaced.

There are a number of players who are disappointed with the coach and that don't get along due to his style and treatment towards those players.

I think in some ways you don't blame Thornton, but he's shown little loyality, and that I pissed about - JUDAS. :evil:

However, the club are equally to blame for not making the correct decisions when they had the chance to, re sacking the coach. :evil:

Major change required at board, administration, and footy dept.

Zippy · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:51 pm

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Thornton re-signs. :twisted:

That's great news.

Thanks Juzz. :-D

Kouta · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:53 pm

Zippy wrote:

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Thornton re-signs. :twisted:

That's great news.

Thanks Juzz. :-D

Click on the link. :wink:

Zippy · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:57 pm

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Zippy wrote:

JuzzCarlton wrote:

Thornton re-signs. :twisted:

That's great news.

Thanks Juzz. :-D

Click on the link. :wink:

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

Thornton's stated intention to leave is actually only nothing more than just an intention at this stage.

I think we all need to revisit things after trade week, then the true picture will be clearer.

Remember that Lance was being traded this time last year, but it didnt happen.

I dont know what will occur with this, but could be that Thornton has to end up reneging on what he has said earlier, or else we might have an additional first round pick.

lukablue · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:57 pm

it got me.... :roll:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:02 pm

blueman wrote:

Thornton's stated intention to leave is actually only nothing more than just an intention at this stage.

I think we all need to revisit things after trade week, then the true picture will be clearer.

Remember that Lance was being traded this time last year, but it didnt happen.

I dont know what will occur with this, but could be that Thornton has to end up reneging on what he has said earlier, or else we might have an additional first round pick.

QFT

Good post.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:03 pm

CarltonClem wrote:

Some of you in the Thornton thread are missing the point of the discussion. Carlton matched the money Hawthorn offered, but he still chose to leave. If he was money minded, he would have stayed because he has mates here.

But why did he choose to go when it's not certain he will get to the Hawks if the Hawks stuff up the trade?

Why is a young player like Bret Thornton leaving? Why is it rumoured that Jordan Russell wants out as well? If a second player leaves, is that coincidental?

A lot of you are saying that Thornton is overrated and some of you don't really care that he's moved on.

I ask you another question. What would your reaction be this time next year if it was Marc Murphy who wanted out and said he wanted a trade to Hawthorn? Marc is highly valued by the CFC, would be offered at least 200K and at this stage is worth that. If Hawthorn offered 250K and we MATCHED it but Murphy insisted on leaving - SURELY THERE IS AN UNDERLYING PROBLEM!

MarkNo3 - you say that Thornton has shown no loyalty and you've called him (amongst worse things) greedy. Well, what you think if Murphy decided to leave? Or Kennedy wanted to go back to WA? What's the problem?

HOW CAN IT BE MONEY IF WE OFFERED THE SAME AND HE STILL WANTED TO LEAVE?

Some of you have shown no logic at all; there is a deeper underlying problem amongst this.

Carlton is simply not a place that players want to stay at. Why? The Administration is poor, the coach is appalling, the training facilities are behind other clubs.

Players wanting to leave their club is quite rare; the bonding you get from playing with the same people for a long time is something you don't like losing. Usually players only leave for substantially more money or because they don't want to be there one reason or another.

The other question I pose is this. Why have so many players left the CFC since Denis got here?

If a second player decides to request a trade, will that be coincidental? Or are they greedy as well?

CC there is only one reason he is leaving and its the same reason all the other players have left in the past or have tried to leave.

I seriously doubt there would be a player on our list who would want to stay if he was given an out . Our coach is a nuck fuckle and many of us have been saying it for quite some time. Point is though we are stuck with him because the big Brother AFL wont lend us money to pay him out .

The only players that seem to praise Pagan are knuckle heads or nuff nuffs like Martyn - why would anyone with half an intellegence want to stay under his coaching methods .

But despite all that I couldn't give a rats knacker about Thornton going he is not that good and if we can get a second round or even a third round pick then get it.
I'd even trade him for Williams .

2005 was a very disappointing year for Thornton and 2006 was heading the same way until Setanta and Whitnal were put back to cover for him.
He is one of many players on our list who has this so called potential and never looks like living up to it.

So much for Pagan changing the culture of the club

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

camelboy wrote:

blueman wrote:

Thornton's stated intention to leave is actually only nothing more than just an intention at this stage.

I think we all need to revisit things after trade week, then the true picture will be clearer.

Remember that Lance was being traded this time last year, but it didnt happen.

I dont know what will occur with this, but could be that Thornton has to end up reneging on what he has said earlier, or else we might have an additional first round pick.

QFT

Good post.

Why would we want him back? - he's stated he wants to be traded!!!

He doesn't want to be there, and he's made that clear - why hold the club and team mates to ransom?

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:08 pm

blueman wrote:

Thornton's stated intention to leave is actually only nothing more than just an intention at this stage.

I think we all need to revisit things after trade week, then the true picture will be clearer.

Remember that Lance was being traded this time last year, but it didnt happen.

I dont know what will occur with this, but could be that Thornton has to end up reneging on what he has said earlier, or else we might have an additional first round pick.

Hello

there was speculation that Lance was being traded and yes he probably was for the right deal. Thornton has openly told us he wants out even after we caved in and came to the party to his demands. He doesnt want to play for this club. How hard is this to understand?

TheGame · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:10 pm

The club were f$%^ing him around, I can see him walking into the pre-season draft. Hawks aren't gonna give us a deal in our favour, they actually know what they are doing.

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:10 pm

T-Bird actually hasn't stated he wants out....the only one to do that is his manager.

My parents told me there was a Santa Claus....I don't believe them any more.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:11 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about all our other options down back.

Tbird may well want to leave, but only him and the club know what has actually been said between the two. Just because his manager has been shooting his mouth off doesn't mean Tbird can't wait to get out. For all we know he's a confused kid who hates contract negotiations and just wants to let his manager do the work.

Nothing is set in stone yet.

As indicated Lance was shopped around last year by all accounts, Fev too. One is now Carlton's B&F winner, the other won the Coleman medal. Both are likely captaincy options.

Now I know that can be read both ways as either a sign of how things can turn around or how desperate we are as a club right now. I'd prefer to view positiviely and think that if Tbird did stay that he would have a good year for us in 07 and beyond.

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:12 pm

Such a wise camel.

Thornton, Fisher at odds (Fisher & Thornton re-signed)

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