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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:40 pm 
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So annoying that when were playing like busted arses we had almost a full list.


IMO this is one of the problems playing high pressure bang and crash tackling and, at times, chaos - it results in injury. Having no injuries previously was partly a function of the way we were playing.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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So annoying that when were playing like busted arses we had almost a full list.


IMO this is one of the problems playing high pressure bang and crash tackling and, at times, chaos - it results in injury. Having no injuries previously was partly a function of the way we were playing.

I'd go further and state it was the reason we were playing like that, to try and protect players from injury.


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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
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Possibly.
McKay landed awkwardly and Walsh was just running tho.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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missnaut wrote:
Possibly.
McKay landed awkwardly and Walsh was just running tho.


Harry did attack that contest with serious intent though. I mean he really crashed into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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This sucks.
We are starting to play good footy and injuries have probably ruined our season.


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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
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Vindication for managing Cripps and Cerra.


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It's frustrating AF but how about we just wait for the scan results

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Vindication for managing Cripps and Cerra.


Should have added Walsh


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.


Do we play Pittonet or Young? I have really liked TDK a Number One Ruck and Young gives us flexibility. Not an easy decision

PS Too early but O'Keefe looked good at the week


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Sam Edmund was on SEN and says that Cerra, Cripps and Martin are doubtful for this week.
Walsh 3 weeks and Jack done for the year.


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The Age said Martin would play this week!


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Let’s just wait until Scoop gives us the definitive word.

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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
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Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


Hard no to bringing Pitto in. TDK playing lone ruck has played a big part in our improvement over the past 6 weeks. He’s like another on baller at ground level. The ruck contest is almost secondary to him, once the ball hits the deck he’s in there scrapping. And the extra run we have with one less tall has been huge. I’d rather bring Marchbank in and play one of him, Kemp, or Gov forward


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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jake_h03 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


Hard no to bringing Pitto in. TDK playing lone ruck has played a big part in our improvement over the past 6 weeks. He’s like another on baller at ground level. The ruck contest is almost secondary to him, once the ball hits the deck he’s in there scrapping. And the extra run we have with one less tall has been huge. I’d rather bring Marchbank in and play one of him, Kemp, or Gov forward


Yes TDK has been great but Murphy and Moore will destroy Charlie if we don't have another physical target forward that can create ground balls. Our backline is going OK but with the loss of Boyd, we cant afford to remove Gov or Kemp to play forward. Martin is a solid 3rd tall but the Pies wont waste Moore on him. Charlie bought the ball to ground well against Port but Collingwood will feed off intercept marks. Our smalls won't get a look without another forward option. TDK works hard to bring the ball to ground and it will be required.
Unfortunately the loss of JSOS will require us to play Pitto. Plus he moved well in the VFL.

The loss of Walsh will be huge. Our change in ball movement has significantly revolved around him IMHO. When we win the ball in our back half, he's the constant source of the 15-20m short option that breaks up the opposition zone. It's no surprise that when he went off Saturday, we reverted to the backward kicking, slow ball movement option that Weiters and Doc feed off.
I know Voss talks about next man up but we don't have another Walsh. No one has provided that hard running since Ed was in his prime. Cottrell is probably the only physical "like for like" but he doesn't have the footy smarts. Fogarty has the smarts but not the athletic attributes. Perhaps they should throw the challenge to Hollands. Play him as a high half forward who creates a link ahead of the ball.
That would allow us to retain Doc and Acres on the wings as well.

In- Pitto, Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Owies, Marchbank
Out- Jack, Walsh, Motlop, Honey, Young, Cowan

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


Hard no to bringing Pitto in. TDK playing lone ruck has played a big part in our improvement over the past 6 weeks. He’s like another on baller at ground level. The ruck contest is almost secondary to him, once the ball hits the deck he’s in there scrapping. And the extra run we have with one less tall has been huge. I’d rather bring Marchbank in and play one of him, Kemp, or Gov forward


Yes TDK has been great but Murphy and Moore will destroy Charlie if we don't have another physical target forward that can create ground balls. Our backline is going OK but with the loss of Boyd, we cant afford to remove Gov or Kemp to play forward. Martin is a solid 3rd tall but the Pies wont waste Moore on him. Charlie bought the ball to ground well against Port but Collingwood will feed off intercept marks. Our smalls won't get a look without another forward option. TDK works hard to bring the ball to ground and it will be required.
Unfortunately the loss of JSOS will require us to play Pitto. Plus he moved well in the VFL.

The loss of Walsh will be huge. Our change in ball movement has significantly revolved around him IMHO. When we win the ball in our back half, he's the constant source of the 15-20m short option that breaks up the opposition zone. It's no surprise that when he went off Saturday, we reverted to the backward kicking, slow ball movement option that Weiters and Doc feed off.
I know Voss talks about next man up but we don't have another Walsh. No one has provided that hard running since Ed was in his prime. Cottrell is probably the only physical "like for like" but he doesn't have the footy smarts. Fogarty has the smarts but not the athletic attributes. Perhaps they should throw the challenge to Hollands. Play him as a high half forward who creates a link ahead of the ball.
That would allow us to retain Doc and Acres on the wings as well.

In- Pitto, Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Owies, Marchbank
Out- Jack, Walsh, Motlop, Honey, Young, Cowan, Ed (Sub)


Yep, all of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


Hard no to bringing Pitto in. TDK playing lone ruck has played a big part in our improvement over the past 6 weeks. He’s like another on baller at ground level. The ruck contest is almost secondary to him, once the ball hits the deck he’s in there scrapping. And the extra run we have with one less tall has been huge. I’d rather bring Marchbank in and play one of him, Kemp, or Gov forward


Yes TDK has been great but Murphy and Moore will destroy Charlie if we don't have another physical target forward that can create ground balls. Our backline is going OK but with the loss of Boyd, we cant afford to remove Gov or Kemp to play forward. Martin is a solid 3rd tall but the Pies wont waste Moore on him. Charlie bought the ball to ground well against Port but Collingwood will feed off intercept marks. Our smalls won't get a look without another forward option. TDK works hard to bring the ball to ground and it will be required.
Unfortunately the loss of JSOS will require us to play Pitto. Plus he moved well in the VFL.

The loss of Walsh will be huge. Our change in ball movement has significantly revolved around him IMHO. When we win the ball in our back half, he's the constant source of the 15-20m short option that breaks up the opposition zone. It's no surprise that when he went off Saturday, we reverted to the backward kicking, slow ball movement option that Weiters and Doc feed off.
I know Voss talks about next man up but we don't have another Walsh. No one has provided that hard running since Ed was in his prime. Cottrell is probably the only physical "like for like" but he doesn't have the footy smarts. Fogarty has the smarts but not the athletic attributes. Perhaps they should throw the challenge to Hollands. Play him as a high half forward who creates a link ahead of the ball.
That would allow us to retain Doc and Acres on the wings as well.

In- Pitto, Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Owies, Marchbank
Out- Jack, Walsh, Motlop, Honey, Young, Cowan



300% agree... the form walsh was in is why we've been winning. he's that guy. the link up, the run, his kicking was back to penetrating and accurate ... it's the equivalent of the pies losing daicos.

cerra and walsh were starting to become more dynamic & dominant than butters and rozee - as they showed against port. huge huge loss, and it's why we won't make the 8. as you said, we're back to kick, mark, look around, kick back etc


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Blue Vain wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
If those reports are true then SOS out is a notable loss but if Pitto comes in TDK will be able to play forward.

I am more concerned about the midfield. How many games will Walsh miss? And will Cripps and Cerra play this Friday?

Think I read Martin will be OK, so that is something I guess.

Hopefully Motlop is OK? And hopefully Cincotta is also OK.

I heard that Walsh actually ran off the ground so wouldn't that suggest his injury isn't THAT bad?


Hard no to bringing Pitto in. TDK playing lone ruck has played a big part in our improvement over the past 6 weeks. He’s like another on baller at ground level. The ruck contest is almost secondary to him, once the ball hits the deck he’s in there scrapping. And the extra run we have with one less tall has been huge. I’d rather bring Marchbank in and play one of him, Kemp, or Gov forward


Yes TDK has been great but Murphy and Moore will destroy Charlie if we don't have another physical target forward that can create ground balls. Our backline is going OK but with the loss of Boyd, we cant afford to remove Gov or Kemp to play forward. Martin is a solid 3rd tall but the Pies wont waste Moore on him. Charlie bought the ball to ground well against Port but Collingwood will feed off intercept marks. Our smalls won't get a look without another forward option. TDK works hard to bring the ball to ground and it will be required.
Unfortunately the loss of JSOS will require us to play Pitto. Plus he moved well in the VFL.

The loss of Walsh will be huge. Our change in ball movement has significantly revolved around him IMHO. When we win the ball in our back half, he's the constant source of the 15-20m short option that breaks up the opposition zone. It's no surprise that when he went off Saturday, we reverted to the backward kicking, slow ball movement option that Weiters and Doc feed off.
I know Voss talks about next man up but we don't have another Walsh. No one has provided that hard running since Ed was in his prime. Cottrell is probably the only physical "like for like" but he doesn't have the footy smarts. Fogarty has the smarts but not the athletic attributes. Perhaps they should throw the challenge to Hollands. Play him as a high half forward who creates a link ahead of the ball.
That would allow us to retain Doc and Acres on the wings as well.

In- Pitto, Cripps, Martin, Cerra, Owies, Marchbank
Out- Jack, Walsh, Motlop, Honey, Young, Cowan


You make very good points BV


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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as you said, we're back to kick, mark, look around, kick back etc


Thats on the coaches - we need the boys to play the same style regardless of who the personnel are.

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