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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:35 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
dane wrote:
Best 22

FB: McGovern Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Boyd
C: Fisher Hewett Cerra
HF: Martin Curnow Silvagni
FF: Motlop McKay Durdin
R: De Koning Cripps Walsh
Int: Williams Docherty Kennedy Cottrell

Depth:

Newman (HB)
Setterfield (Mid)
Plowman (MB)
Durdin (FB)
Owies (SF)
Pittonet (Ruck)
LOB (Wing)
McDonald (Util)

Developing:

Stocker (Mid)
Philp (HF)
Honey (HF)
Carroll (SF)
Kemp (MF)
Mirkov (Ruck)
Akuei (Not Sure)

Probably Gone / Gone

Dow
Fogarty
Williamson
Newnes (Retire)
Curnow (Retire)
Hayes
Cunningham (Retire) - I really hope not but wtf is going on
Parks

Immediate Needs:

Winger
Mid sized forward
Older established small forward?


I mucked around and concluded I agree.
Only thing I want is to upgrade Silvagni (Fwd-Ruck), and Fisher (Better Mid)
2 smalls is plenty in the forwardline Motlop and Durdin may well be the future.

I'm a Cottrell, Philp and Honey fan, but expect them to take the next step and earn a spot.
Will need a replacement for Martin at times :wink: Will Cuningham be kept?
They're the two I thought of too that could be upgraded.

Looking real good then.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.


Noticed him myself Vain .How good he is i don't know but i did notice him . Looked like a tough hard nut . Got that British Bulldog Des English type of build .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:17 pm 
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I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.


Noticed him myself Vain .How good he is i don't know but i did notice him . Looked like a tough hard nut . Got that British Bulldog Des English type of build .


What a great description.

He must have endurance if wing-mid. Is he quick?

If so, Austin may surprise. Cerra and Hewett were known to be on the radar from a long way out. This year, Sholl only.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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bondiblue wrote:
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Blue Vain wrote:
I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.


Noticed him myself Vain .How good he is i don't know but i did notice him . Looked like a tough hard nut . Got that British Bulldog Des English type of build .



What a great description.

He must have endurance if wing-mid. Is he quick?

If so, Austin may surprise. Cerra and Hewett were known to be on the radar from a long way out. This year, Sholl only.

Just checked his stats. He played 14 games this year but only averages around 10 possessions per game. Could be a positive if it means he comes cheaply. Was pick #22 in the 2018 draft.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.


Noticed him myself Vain .How good he is i don't know but i did notice him . Looked like a tough hard nut . Got that British Bulldog Des English type of build .


What a great description.

He must have endurance if wing-mid. Is he quick?

If so, Austin may surprise. Cerra and Hewett were known to be on the radar from a long way out. This year, Sholl only.


O'Halloran hasn't had a single CBA in the past 2 seasons, which is pretty notable given they've got the biggest spread of attendees of any team other than West Coast.

Too much of an unproven quantity to trade for. Would be happy to give opportunity to if he came via draft/DFA.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I've mentioned him before but I don't mind the look of Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. Can play wing or mid and I believe he's out of contract.


Noticed him myself Vain .How good he is i don't know but i did notice him . Looked like a tough hard nut . Got that British Bulldog Des English type of build .


What a great description.

He must have endurance if wing-mid. Is he quick?

If so, Austin may surprise. Cerra and Hewett were known to be on the radar from a long way out. This year, Sholl only.


O'Halloran hasn't had a single CBA in the past 2 seasons, which is pretty notable given they've got the biggest spread of attendees of any team other than West Coast.

Thanks for that . Interesting . Not sayin ' he can play , just like the way he goes about . Your call on Philips from the Hawks is a goodie from left field . His uncle who played with us in the 90 ' was a superb player destroyed by injuries . Only played about 40 games or so . Right up there in the Barry Armstrong / Trevor Keogh class he was . Real high end talent . I"d give him a go just on the family connection. Whats his kicking like Rod . We are crying out for a long kicking wingman who can drain " em from a long way out .
Too much of an unproven quantity to trade for. Would be happy to give opportunity to if he came via draft/DFA.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:42 am 
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He's not as good a kick as LOB - that much is clear. However elite LOB's kicking skills are, people (on here and seemingly in the coaches box) are always going to pick the eyes out of a contest he didn't commit to enough.

Phillips is definitely more disciplined with his running patterns than Newnes is - no drifting forward to get junk time goals, much more effective when he drops back to assist in the back 50 (that Pickett contest haunts me). At his peak of 2018 - 440m gained on average a game. Even 2021 he was averaging 287.9 (Newnes averaged 239 this year and 234 last year. LOB 368 this year). He's also three years younger and probably available for less than what Newnes is.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
He's not as good a kick as LOB - that much is clear. However elite LOB's kicking skills are, people (on here and seemingly in the coaches box) are always going to pick the eyes out of a contest he didn't commit to enough.

Phillips is definitely more disciplined with his running patterns than Newnes is - no drifting forward to get junk time goals, much more effective when he drops back to assist in the back 50 (that Pickett contest haunts me). At his peak of 2018 - 440m gained on average a game. Even 2021 he was averaging 287.9 (Newnes averaged 239 this year and 234 last year. LOB 368 this year). He's also three years younger and probably available for less than what Newnes is.


Faaark , good answer mate . What does Bondi call you " The numbers Man ". Thats facts and figures that don't lie . Thanks .

PS.................but is LOB an elite kick ? sometimes but he misses too many short targets for mine . I also reckon with those long searching runs he should be draining them from beyond fifty . Long kicking wingmen are Gold i reckon .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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it's an interesting one, Mick. I think he's elite as far as our list goes, which probably isn't saying much (Probably Gov only better on the list?). Competition wide? Above average. I think we underrate his tank too - he was one of the few still on his feet at the the end of the Dees/Pies games. So as far as his capacity to get on his bike, and receive, and use it effectively, I rate him pretty highly.

I share your concerns about missing the short targets - I reckon that's a decision making issue more than a skill one though.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:45 am 
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How on earth has Obrien been given a 2 year deal.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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deano35 wrote:
How on earth has Obrien been given a 2 year deal.


Read the above post by Rod .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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deano35 wrote:
How on earth has Obrien been given a 2 year deal.


Vendetta against you?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:18 pm 
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How on earth has Obrien been given a 2 year deal.

Is this official? I don't recall it being reported anywhere other than on here.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:39 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
it's an interesting one, Mick. I think he's elite as far as our list goes, which probably isn't saying much (Probably Gov only better on the list?). Competition wide? Above average. I think we underrate his tank too - he was one of the few still on his feet at the the end of the Dees/Pies games. So as far as his capacity to get on his bike, and receive, and use it effectively, I rate him pretty highly.

I share your concerns about missing the short targets - I reckon that's a decision making issue more than a skill one though.

I’m a broken record here, but I reckon his tank is overrated. He can run all day & is probably good against the clock… not much good in a race though.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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kezza wrote:
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How on earth has Obrien been given a 2 year deal.

Is this official? I don't recall it being reported anywhere other than on here.



I think that was an error on my part. Heard it on the radio (Andy Maher I think) but then haven't come across anything official.



Who was it who suggested Luke Breust a few pages back? He'd be my go to. Satisfies the "played well against us" Marchesani criteria also

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 Post subject: List Management 2022
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Couldn't agree more on Breust. Great kick, plays taller than he is and great at ground level, and a leader.

Unrelated observation: he has a bit of an angry butch lesbian look about him at times as well.

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Excellent….

we need some balls in the team…!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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Couldn't agree more on Breust. Great kick, plays taller than he is and great at ground level, and a leader.

Unrelated observation: he has a bit of an angry butch lesbian look about him at times as well.

Goes the fist?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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I reckon his tank is overrated. He can run all day.. .


Isn't that what "tank" means?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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I reckon his tank is overrated. He can run all day.. .


Isn't that what "tank" means?



I think the word "tank" is too generalised a term. All midfields of all teams can run all day but it is the speed they cover the ground that is important. LOB is very one paced hence why I prefer Cottrell who has more gears and definitely more speed. LOB would do well to spend the off season with Craig Bradley to learn what gut running is.


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