Ah, golf. Not played since having kids 10 years ago, but I played regularly in London and got pretty good. My best ever round was a +14. At the time I had a tinge of disappointment because I'd been +3 at the halfway mark. But in the years since, all I remember is that I went around in +14, hell yeah!

I am Carlton Football Club.

Score source

Kick in
Carlton 0.0.0
Richmond 1.3.9

Stoppage
Carlton 4.10.34
Richmond 1.2.8

Turnover
Carlton 6.5.41
Richmond 7.12.54

Defensive half
Carlton 3.4.22
Richmond 5.8.38

Forward half
Carlton 5.10.40
Richmond 3.9.27

Centre bounce
Carlton 2.1.13
Richmond 1.0.6

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"I said I'd tell you the truth. Didn't say you'd like it." - Finch

They changed the HTB rule after Hardwick complained that Curnow was too strong in the tackle and kicked a goal against Gold Coast. Of all teams Carlton was hurt the most because our game was built on strength over the ball. Walsh was seemingly pinged for HTB every time he took possession for the rest of the season. Our "one wood" was turned into a pitching wedge overnight.
The stand rule is the dumbest shit the AFL has introduced. It takes the defender out of the game until the umpire has called play on, and the way they're now calling "STAND" when a player is still metres short of the mark has made it even worse. I can't imagine how galling it must be to be forced to be a statue while you watch a guy coming past for the handball. Everyone in the stadium knows it's going to happen but you're glued to the spot and would be just as effective if you were sat at the bar with the punters.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

wonder if the issue isn't the way we panic at the slightest hint we are losing control... suddenly Gov is helping back, Kemp is standing on the last line as if its under 9's, everyone aware of not losing the game instead of winning it - for me this attitude began as early as in the second quarter and then built and built and built - fear wins over fitness, mistakes soar above skill, fumbles rout planning...,if so this starts with the coach, he loses nerve and the team follows suit - like ants following the worst laid trail.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Richmond had 8 under 23s and 2 23yo's.
Carlton had 8 under 23s and 0 23yo's.

Richmond had 5 players kicking 50% and under.
Carlton had 7 players kicking 50% and under with Fogarty kicking 0% off only 1 kick.

There's definitely an element of that, otherwise we'd be getting smashed all game, not just in the second half. As always, it's not all one thing or the other. I just get annoyed at this whole "multi-year aberration" nonsense, it's the Fake News! of football analysis.

If weitering was on him is ribs would have even broken again, even though that little prick game him one from behind the weak prick. That is our biggest problem we are full of gutless winders that don’t crack heads

we play so scared .... and it's no wonder while the coach is on the sideline shitting himself. yell for the game to be iced with 5 to go.

under voss it's a pattern. we play one or two at the most competitive qtrs, and hope it's enough to limp over the finish line. the good times run out games and finish how they started.

i refuse to believe we're that unfit, and imo it's a mental fatigue and fragility, not a physical one.


can't wait for voss to be gone

Wrapped to take the four points myself . Makes the next fortnight bearable .
Two things are bugging me .
How fit are we ? two weeks in a row we have come to a standstill after the main break . Our lack of chase and pressure in the second halves have made the opposition look like millionaires . I just don't reckon we are fit enough despite the big pre season .

Are we the most humbly team in the competition ? don't know whether any of you bloke watched our Magoo practice match today but our fumbling and ball handling was very ordinary . Just kept turning it over through lack of touch . We are crying out for one touch players . And thought the same thing applied to our senior side tonight . How many times did we cough the ball up because we just couldn't grab the ball first time . Our ball handling is atrocious . We are crying out for one touch players . My criticism doesn't apply to Jagga . His ball handling under pressure is superb , the hallmark of all the great players .
Anyhow I'll take the win but for fruck sake coaching panel work on our skill work . Its making us look a lot worse than we are . Tidy that up and I reckon we can have a half decent year .

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All my dangerous friends

count me in. i love a good deathride!

Maybe he knows our players limits and we are not as fit and skilful as we would like to think.

There is no way players just stop running like that from coaching directives, they are competitors and competitors compete.

i agree it's the single worst rule in the game.

but fkkkk me... how dumb are we as a club that we seem to be the only team not utilising it when we have the ball.

The good thing for Jagga is he is surrounded by players that are noticeably less skilled than him so that makes him look even better.
It'll be interesting to see how well he polls in the Brownlow this year, I feel it could be a new record for a first year.

Optimism vs pessimism
No
Its about realism
So a question to the optimist
Have we gotten better
Now be honest

Note entirely true, McGovern used the STAND!!! rule to run past and receive on the left, putting himself on his wrong foot whereupon he immediately proceeded to @#$%&! it up.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

But it's true, we do use the STAND!!! rule in first quarters, sometimes second. Then it becomes too hard.

Or it’s about fact.

In a win/loss sport, we are 1-1…..

Optimism vs Pessimism? Both ask us to speculate about the future. That’s the perfect place to make up stories and catastrophize.

It’s a game of footy and we won. Next test is Melbourne, nothing more to it than that for me.

Yep we won. Thats a positive. How we won was ugly and yuck. But a hell of a lot better than a loss.

I dont take any win for granted.

Players need to win. Confidence is one of the big things killing these players. And the lack of confidence etc.

But Voss needs to go regardless. Need to evolve.

anyone else concerned we gave walsh another 8 years, and the guy cannot kick the footy on the run to save himself?

That’s a microcosm of of why this club is going nowhere
But some posters do the your making shit up your not there so you don’t know or your making it worse than it really is
Florent and Haywood on 5 year deals Ainsworth on 4 year deal ain’t bad either
It’s the same shit show every year
And guess what folks
It’s get harder in 2027 with the Tassie concessions
We were deplorable in the second half against a bottom 4 team
If Lynch had of kicked straight they win