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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2025 5:45 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Contest and pressure.
SOJ, Haynes, Hewett, Harry.
Weiters and Cripps pretty good.
Good contributions from Young, Binns and Lord.
Charlie show in first half.
Didn't get cut up by Sinclair like we often do. Good performance from Elijah.

Cons:

More injuries.
Small forwards didn't contribute much. But at least they were laying tackles.
Walsh quiet again.


Walshy quiet, or quiet for him?
Had 21 disposals in a game only one player reached 30.

9 score involvements in a low scoring grind.


Quiet for him. We're at our best when he's getting 30+. I did like his ball use though, especially into the forward 50.


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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2025 6:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
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Thanks for that Keogh.


:) I was looking at the Haynes thread yesterday and keogh still hasn't said anything except he's crap


Yeah he has been good after a slow start
But the thing is why did we get him
Because are window is open
Face it it’s shut
What we needed defensively is another key back and another running half back creative with ball in hand
Where I really got it wrong was underrating JOS
Been terrific

Captain obvious would say we need a running half back but know we go for a 32 interceptor who is an average kick. I know we didn’t get Houston but still
Haynes is not creative with ball in hand
Reckon Saad is a shadow of the player he was too


Haynes Doesn’t take the game on
And often plays loose in defence on smaller forwards
Does it a bit easy


You don't know anything about Haines and yet you still have a go at him every week....because of his age. WTF
You must laugh at Geelong and Collingwood.

Haines is a great kick. He's craetive and penetrating. He's a quick decision maker. That's why he's a cut above most.
He sees the game clearer than most. He watches it unfold. Its a knack, a skill and something most players wish they have. You should appreciate what he does have that others don't.

You've read the reasons why we convinced Haines to play for us but choose to forget the explananations to continue your shameless attack on his existence at Carlton.

Give the guy a break.

Youre the only one I know in Australia giving him a bake.

He doesnt intercept marks because he's playing against a smaller player. You're thinking of those 2 marks he took out marking Close v Cats one on one. He takes 10 a game.

His opponents dont kickl goals against him. round 1 when he had his shocking moments (2), his opponent only kicked 1 goal. His opponents haven't been able to get off his leash, but Haines gets away from them wiith ease to helphis team mates because he sees the game unfold. Its an art. He turns his artform into an elite interception.

Blind Freddy can see how important he is to us.

Fair suck of the Sav.

Our window is still open. Not closed because you said so.
Its a long season. Enjoy the wins.
See Swans 2004. We play the same ugly style of pressure and contest. It works. We only just got started.


The game continues to evolve
One area that has become really important is HBF that are creative with their kicking
We have 2 down back who can’t do that
Mc Govern who is hot and cold with his disposal
Saad who has dropped off. Opposition teams make sure he is sat on more
Haynes Is courageous
He reads it well and a a good interceptor
But the knock on him is his age for a start
You don’t recruit a guy his age unless you think you have a specific need to get there
That need is a guy who can create by foot through the back half
Haynes doesn’t do that
For a guy who plays where he plays he should be gaining more than 223 m and have one inside 50 per game
That’s the knock on him and the club recruiting him to play

What is obvious is the difference between the top teams and teams like us and StKilda is forward ball movement
Look at Thursday nights game
Collingwood have 28 less inside 50s and win with no key forwards

Haynes has improved
But he doesn’t add to what we need


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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2025 6:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
windy wrote:
Thanks for that Keogh.


:) I was looking at the Haynes thread yesterday and keogh still hasn't said anything except he's crap


Yeah he has been good after a slow start
But the thing is why did we get him
Because are window is open
Face it it’s shut
What we needed defensively is another key back and another running half back creative with ball in hand
Where I really got it wrong was underrating JOS
Been terrific

Captain obvious would say we need a running half back but know we go for a 32 interceptor who is an average kick. I know we didn’t get Houston but still
Haynes is not creative with ball in hand
Reckon Saad is a shadow of the player he was too


Haynes Doesn’t take the game on
And often plays loose in defence on smaller forwards
Does it a bit easy


You don't know anything about Haines and yet you still have a go at him every week....because of his age. WTF
You must laugh at Geelong and Collingwood.

Haines is a great kick. He's craetive and penetrating. He's a quick decision maker. That's why he's a cut above most.
He sees the game clearer than most. He watches it unfold. Its a knack, a skill and something most players wish they have. You should appreciate what he does have that others don't.

You've read the reasons why we convinced Haines to play for us but choose to forget the explananations to continue your shameless attack on his existence at Carlton.

Give the guy a break.

Youre the only one I know in Australia giving him a bake.

He doesnt intercept marks because he's playing against a smaller player. You're thinking of those 2 marks he took out marking Close v Cats one on one. He takes 10 a game.

His opponents dont kickl goals against him. round 1 when he had his shocking moments (2), his opponent only kicked 1 goal. His opponents haven't been able to get off his leash, but Haines gets away from them wiith ease to helphis team mates because he sees the game unfold. Its an art. He turns his artform into an elite interception.

Blind Freddy can see how important he is to us.

Fair suck of the Sav.

Our window is still open. Not closed because you said so.
Its a long season. Enjoy the wins.
See Swans 2004. We play the same ugly style of pressure and contest. It works. We only just got started.


The game continues to evolve
One area that has become really important is HBF that are creative with their kicking
We have 2 down back who can do that
Mc Govern who is hot and cold with his disposal
Saad who has dropped off. Opposition teams make sure he is sat on more
I would like to see Boyd given a go because he could be that player
Haynes Is courageous
He reads it well and is a good interceptor
But the knock on him is his age for a start
You don’t recruit a guy his age unless you think you have a specific need to get there quickly
That need is a guy who can create by foot through the back half
Haynes doesn’t do that
For a guy who plays where he plays he should be gaining more than 223 m and have one inside 50 per game as was the case last night
That’s the knock on him and the club recruiting him to play

What is obvious is the difference between the top teams and teams like us and StKilda is forward ball movement
Look at Thursday nights game
Collingwood have 28 less inside 50s and win with no key forwards

Haynes has improved
But he doesn’t add to what we need


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2025 8:08 pm 
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I like the idea of Haynes as a Moore type but think completely wasted with the hit and miss small forwards who should be going ballistic after he ghosts across.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2025 8:23 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Haynes has improved
But he doesn’t add to what we need


I think you are wrong Keogh.

We have won 3 of the last 4 and Haynes' return to form had a big say in those wins. And he was in our best in the rubbish loss to the Crows.

He can't do much more that.

Weits needed support. The Blues didn't land a key experienced CHB so we have pivoted to Haynes and SOS. Both have been massive reasons why we have gotten back on track to some extent. So yes, he is what we needed.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2025 8:53 pm 
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Despite his age I reckon we will get three seasons from him . He has that lean wiry build like Michael Tuck . Lucky played till he was forty or something didn't he . Same Jeromy Cameron with that build .

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2025 10:47 pm 
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Harry O'FARRELL will hopefully make progress and enter the fray in 2026. At 197 fingers crossed he can make the grade. So far he is tracking okay.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2025 11:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 6:39 am 
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Shit that's a lot of fingers

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Hence why he's a great mark. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 7:50 am 
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"Our window is shut, he's too old, he's an average kick, he's not what we need!" :lol:

He's exactly what we need. The negative Nancy's as usual look for reasons things can't work instead of why they do. Haynes is great value because he gives us flexibility. The past 18 months astute coaches have removed our intercept marking by dragging Weitering away from the play. There were instances where coaches sacrificed their best forward just to expose our defensive deficiencies. (Nick Larkey/Alistair Clarkson for example)
Haynes and to a lesser extent extent JSOS make that move redundant. You can remove Weitering but you'll knowingly remove your best forward and we'll still have strong defensive intercept marking.

So this year, of the top 6 intercept marking players in the AFL, 2 are Carlton players. (Weitering, Haynes)
Last year we didn't have one in the top 10.
Because we recruited an option that eliminated a strategy being used effectively against us.

Haynes wasn't recruited to be a 5 year option. He's there to give us structural integrity behind the ball now, while allowing O'Farrell to develop in the VFL. Where he will continue to develop his skills as a defensive interceptor. He's already a beautiful kick.
I posted early this year that I thought O'Farrell would play senior football this year. Mainly because structurally we needed his skillset. Haynes has allowed us to give O'Farrell time to develop. We don't need to to rush him. He can develop his body, be given the managed game time a first year player needs and not be exposed to the bigger faster bodies in his first year.
Win/win situation for those who want to look for it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 9:57 am 
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Weitering, Haynes, JSoS combination is working. If we could surround these three with some smalls who can defend, we have our backline. Cowan and Newman are big losses currently. Hopefully we get Moo back soon, add Boyd, Cinc to Ollie and Carroll. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 4:41 pm 
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St Kilda v Carlton - Coaches votes


7 Nick Haynes CARL
6 George Hewett CARL
5 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera STK
5 Harry McKay CARL
4 Jack Sinclair STK
2 Patrick Cripps CARL
1 Jack Silvagni CARL

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 5:20 pm 
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Brian Lake won 3 flags going to Hawthorn at 31 years old - Haynes slightly older when coming to us - but maybe who knows ......

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 5:54 pm 
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/1320336/the ... slow-start

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 7:01 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
St Kilda v Carlton - Coaches votes


7 Nick Haynes CARL
6 George Hewett CARL
5 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera STK
5 Harry McKay CARL
4 Jack Sinclair STK
2 Patrick Cripps CARL
1 Jack Silvagni CARL

Regards Cazzesman


Has Ross Lyon turned into Craig McRae? I'm trying to work out how Sinclair got 4 votes. Normally he cleans us up. I thought he was well controlled this time.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 7:44 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
St Kilda v Carlton - Coaches votes


7 Nick Haynes CARL
6 George Hewett CARL
5 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera STK
5 Harry McKay CARL
4 Jack Sinclair STK
2 Patrick Cripps CARL
1 Jack Silvagni CARL

Regards Cazzesman


So our 2 highest ranking players were acquired as free agents? No draft picks involved?
Can't be right. I thought our list management was atrocious. :?
Mind you, they're probably top 5 in our B&F as well.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 3:00 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
St Kilda v Carlton - Coaches votes


7 Nick Haynes CARL
6 George Hewett CARL
5 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera STK
5 Harry McKay CARL
4 Jack Sinclair STK
2 Patrick Cripps CARL
1 Jack Silvagni CARL

Regards Cazzesman


So our 2 highest ranking players were acquired as free agents? No draft picks involved?
Can't be right. I thought our list management was atrocious. :?
Mind you, they're probably top 5 in our B&F as well.
Cherry picked one game to justify recruitment.
Just a little reminder we are 4 wins 5 losses
We need to win 9 out 14 games to scrape into the bottom of the 8. 7 of those 14 games are against teams that are currently sitting higher on the ladder with another game interstate where we have only won about 4 games in the last 40 years and another on a ground we just played at last week and got flogged by 60 points

Sure one game of coaches votes surely vindicates our recruitment



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 7:25 am 
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Geelong vs Carlton

8 Nick Haynes CARL
7 Sam Walsh CARL
5 Patrick Cripps CARL
4 Mitch McGovern CARL
4 Harry McKay CARL
2 Connor O'Sullivan GEEL

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 7:27 am 
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First of all I agree that we might have a beauty in O’ Farrell and at pick 40 hopefully a steal
As I have said before I am a different Carlton supporter to most
Almost a sociopathic supporter
I watch as much footy as I can and one thing that has become evident is the importance of attacking from defence with quick ball movement
Teams can get away with two lockdown defenders whose principal role is to stop their direct opponent
For us thats Weitering andSOJ
Saad doesn’t impact in this area like he did
McGovern is too hot and cold
Haynes averages 298 m gained
It isn’t enough to be a good interceptor these days if you want to be atop 4 team

As far as window I reckon it’s shut
O’ Farrell
I like Ben Campo
Not much else
With Brisbane’s second rounder as our first pick that will be around pick 40
Our ball movement was only marginally better tgan the oppositions on Friday night
An easier game for a defender like Haynes


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:58 am 
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windy wrote:
Geelong vs Carlton

8 Nick Haynes CARL
7 Sam Walsh CARL
5 Patrick Cripps CARL
4 Mitch McGovern CARL
4 Harry McKay CARL
2 Connor O'Sullivan GEEL


Correct Windy.
Haynes has been adjudged the best player for us in 2 games out of 9.
Not to mention George Hewett is our leading AFLCA vote recipient to this stage.
Not a bad return for zero draft picks.

I'm not saying our list management has been perfect but it's not as bad as some have carried on about. Haynes has settled into his role beautifully after a couple of rocky weeks acclimatising to a new structure. :thumbsup:

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