If you look at their career stats they isnt a hell of a lot different between Charlie and Harry

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Good news for Cowan, if he can prove himself fit.

Have we got enough in the air if we bring him in for Haynes or McGovern?

Do we have enough in transition if he comes in for Ollie?

I think Harry will come in for Fogarty or White. Then we’ll see how Young goes playing the small forward’s game.

Massive three week stretch coming up. If we go up to Sydney at 5-4 & 130%, we’re back in the hunt.

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So we're dropping White (who kicked 3 goals and had 5 tackles) so Young can play as a small forward?
If we play Charlie, Harry and Young as a small forward after kicking 150 points this week, the coaches will deserve everything that comes their way.

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Those stats surprise me. I admit, once I posted, the 1st thing I did was check the stats and totally surprised. Interesting what you notice and don't notice.

I like White. In time, I think he’ll be a damaging player.
His first half was pretty ordinary… maybe the better opposition will be good for him over the next couple of weeks.

One of my mates remarked how Young played a lot like Earl Spalding on Friday. I just about tipped over the bowl of prawn heads. Young couldn’t catch a cold… but, he did do a lot selfless things at ground level.

We can’t just ignore the strength of the opposition.

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Yep, no doubt the challenge is much greater this week (opposition player and coach quality)

To my eyes, this year Young's value is he occupies the oppositions best intercepting, tall defender. Barrass, Lobb, Moore, Comden whilst giving TDK the short rest he needs. He plays a selfless role where he keeps his opponent away from Charlie and if they zone off him, he's shown he can mark the footy and kick the goal. (As a big surprise to me). He's averaging 4 marks per game and had 5 score involvements Friday.
IMHO, we've found a role for him that adds real value to the team and most importantly, helps our forward line function with efficiency.

Making major changes to the current balance and functionality, after struggling to kick a winning score in the past would be premature. Over the past few years we've oscillated between being a high scoring team or a quality defensive unit. One has always come at the total expense of the other. The past couple of weeks (admittedly against lesser opponents), we've shown an ability to have quality balance between the 2.

No doubt an opposing coach will find holes in this set up but that is the ever present challenge week to week, no matter the structure. Whilst we're getting value from this structure (and the players have totally bought into it), we should ride it while we can.

As I said elsewhere, if Harry comes in, make him sub. He's played 5 quarters? of AFL football in 7 weeks. And 4 of those quarters were abysmal. No other changes for me.

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You would bring in a tall for a small? Are we tanking?

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Clearly the 2ruck debate draws a little emotion in these parts, but

Voss seems to like it.

Can we play Young as that second FwD/Ruck and leave him, H and TDK in the same side?

Young offers a little more around the ground then Pitto, more up forward. But a lot less in ruck craft

Wouldn't be surprised if this isn't thought about at the MC meeting.

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Yep , that would be the way to go .

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At the end of last year we bemoaned the fact that Voss dropped lesser lights to play names.

I expect he’ll drop Young(assuming H is good to play), but based on form I’d play him.

Reward effort.

So after having maximum impact/pressure from our small forwards the past couple of weeks, you want to change it up and play Harry, Young and Charlie in the front half?
Young offers no more than Harry in the ruck. I'd be disappointed if they went with 3 tall forwards after the buy in we've had from the players to the current structure, the last couple of weeks.

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1000% this.

swarming, manic pressure at ground level is the template for this team to succeed. charlie and a resting forward/ ruck and all smalls and an extra runner/ mid as sub is the recipe we need to be on.

right now, this game on sunday, Young deserves the jersey over harry who been woeful this season, took himself out of the team for 3 weeks and then came back and played 1 qtr before getting hurt.

let's reward the 22 who played on friday. and if they decide to mess with this balance and go an extra tall over a runner, and we lose. this coaching & gameday selection unit will all deserve what all the unemployed benefits they'll be seeking at the end of the year.

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Lets agree that Cincotta shouldnt break into the team, this week, next week, or within a month.

I didn't say he breaks into our winning team this week. I was kidding about him playing this week against Stewart like last year. He's still 3 weeks away. I wish he was fit.

I believe Cincotta can make a position his own, but he is a versatile role player, who we all know can stick to a task and succeed. I also believe a tagger is really important for the team in certain games. He's the only one I'd pick to sit on either of the Daicos boys for example. He has the speed Hewett doesn't possess to keep up with Daicos. But that doesn't stop Hewett starting in the CB then Cincotta running in to tag Daicos. I bet, if fit, Cincotta will be recalled to do just that: play an important role.

I mentioned Cincotta, Newman, Cowan and Fantasia as those who are out injured and players capable of making it into our winning team and making the team even better. Whether that's in the 22 or putting real pressure on spots. Lets agree to disagree re Cincotta's significance to the team.

When Newman got injured, after Chinkas hip surgery, most were disappointed he was missing because he's the perfect player to fill that spot. Not sure if you did, but most of the Voss vitriol was based on Docherty replacing a "form" player, Cincotta, when Doc hadn't played a game of footy for the year, and it proved to be a big mistake.

Remember, I'm the one who hasn't written off our season after the 2nd round, and I haven't written them off now either. I'm not interested in gifting games to kids, out of form seniors or Cincotta. I look forward to improvement, pressure on spots, and that comes from players playing well enough to break into the team. I pick on form. I want pressure omn players to perform every week because of the threat they will be dropped at the sign of dropping form.

Cincotta isn't anywhere near selection at this minute, nor might he be the same after surgery. What I do believe is if Cincotta returns with similar form as last year, I would be glad to see him selected, and I don't think every player who has played in the last 2 wins are in form and that their position in the team is theirs for the rest of the year. Form is a fickle thing. Maye, anything can happen. Every player in our squad of 30 is capable of playing in the 22. I haven't enjoyed watching out of form players contributing to our losses. We've selected those players every week because injury has stifled our depth. We didnt replenish the list with like for like. Our list was made up of sicarding 6 Best 22 players and replacing them with kids and Haynes and Evans as the experience.

I've gone through my notes, stats and the jobs he had to do for the team since round 7 last year. He played every game. Have you? No player in the team is a standout every week. Role players play a role. That's what you should judge.

Before he was replaced in the finals for Docherty he was an important part in the team.
He has skiils on both sides, he has speed, overlaps and he hist targets by hand and foot (something lacking with our best players). He is probably the most versatile mid sized player on our list.
He played forward, midfield and backline last year. He doesn't have to be "overly impressive" to do his job.
WTF does "overly impressive mean"? To you? His stats? He failed in his role?

If Cincotta gets fit again, you will see him in the team this year, whether you or I disagree with the selection. IMO, its more a possibility rather than an improbable. I'd put plenty on that.

You shouldn't write off players not in last week's team, and shouldn't write off Carlton and not expect change.

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I'd double that. Chaos ball rather than aerial dump kicks down the line.

Adding McKay to the team this week is a no brainer, whether we like it or not.

Not dropping Young could be due to Weiters not being fit,

or

Voss wants Young to rotate in the ruck with TDK, or rotate TDK, McKay and Young in the ruck.

The argument whether you call it or not is the ongoing 2 rucks debate and 2 KPF's.

Everyone has an opinion, and its easy to take pot shots at posters daring to think 2 rucks might or might not happen. Like last year, being dogmatic and dismissing the possibility Vossy would go with the 2 rucks, when we all knew he prefers 2 rucks, actually did happen the week after the debate reached a feverish level. Posters are not always right, but their opinions are always valued, as long as there's no personal attacks.

Forget what posters prefer. There's a great argument for and against. Just accept the opinions of others, and say why it wont be a good thing or why its a bad thing. The reason its an open debate is because in actual fact, it might or it might not happen.

At the end of the day, the focus shouldn't be on posters' opinions, it should be on what Vossy would do and why?

Will Vossy pick 2 rucks TDK and Young, along with 2 KPFs Harry and Charlie? Its as simple as that. Remember last year, when some were absolute in their belief Vossy would not pick 2 rucks because we were undefeated in the first 4 rounds, then did? Could it happen again?

I doubt Pitto will be picked because he only played last week in the VFL and still building to enable himself to play 4 quarters, but I couldn't help notice Vossy mention Pittonet and Elijah returning to VFL, a couple weeks ago, and Elijah played in the AFL side the week after his VFL game, then just a couple days ago I notice Pitto is featured on the website after his VFL game...



Interesting. Anything can happen.

I don't know whether Vossy will go with one or two rucks (TDK and YOUNG) with McKay and Charlie in the same team. I do think he might, not only because he likes 2 rucks, and has picked 2 rucks regardless of winning prior with one, and the fact TDK needs a chop out a coupe times a quarter, but maybe he wants to give the 2 KPFs more time working together in their forwardline given they haven't built synergy all year. I have no problem with McKay going into the ruck as long as Charlie isn't the only marking target in the forward line. Cripps can help, but he may be needed more in the midfield against the Cats. Who knows. The smalls have done well against weak opposition and not so good against better teams. Plus, I don't see why we can't keep the intensity going in the forward line with one less small forward. I think Williams, Durdin, Motlop and White with Elijah in the mix are enough smalls to keep up intensity.

I think Fogarty's spot in the team might be in jeopardy if Young is kept in the team.

My gut feeling is Harry for Young will happen mainly because its self explanatory to the public, if public opinion matters to the MC after the crap the team has had to endure in the first 6 rounds from fans and media.

I think the team will win against the Cats if they bring the same pressure as last week, regardless of selection.

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We must continue to look for targets in the forward 50, and there's room for chaos ball. I actually dont mind chaos ball if Harry or Charlie are not in an advantageous position, like 2 defenders, or just standing and not leading.

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The Harry V Young debate is a little over the top.
Harry's bad game is a Young good game

It's all about expectations.
We don't expect a lot from Young so when he has played a ok game we start talking like he should displace others.
Harry has bad patch which is about Youngs limit and talk starts about he being in reserves.

Supporters lose perspective.
It not to dissimilar to how a player who is injured or unavailable all of a sudden is a genuine superstar when in reality they are lucky to be in best 23.

Your reputation, playing ability grows to fever pitch the longer you are unavailable.

Young shirks contests makes poor decisions very rarely takes marks and fumbles to much for my liking.

Give me a Harry bad game over a Young good game any day of the week

And believe me I was one who hoped Young would do enough to keep Harry out.
But to kick 1 goal as a tall forward after the team kicked the most number of goals in almost 30 years. Doesn't cut it

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