Is there a single Carlton player who you'd 100% back to kick a set shot from more than 40m out directly in front?

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You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair

Probably Elijah - can't remember him missing many from the 40-50 range. And probably Charlie when fit... it's when you get to >50 that he arcs his run and then anything can happen... and <40 he's liable to do something daft, but 40-50 he's quite solid!

Since June 24th 2024, we’ve only beaten two teams. Last & second last.

That’s really where we are. Over the last 6 months we’re a bottom 3 team. Still relying on too much from too few. Still deplorable skills for a professional afl team, lest alone one with “top 4” aspirations…

I’m so solidly in trade everyone for picks like Richmond did… only they at least managed to do so in a unicorn draft. Plus they have a culture and a gameplan where every player knows their job.

We have none of that, therefore our development with said draft picks, is on super shaky ground.

Wow, just wow…

https://x.com/JamesIves17/status/1902856631534358652

Look at Young's attempt to tackle Dylan Moore!

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I wouldn't back any of them from 20m out directly in front.

You can find at least another 6 from others similar to that…..

The definition of insanity

There are a few different configurations of our lineup that are worth trying. It is far to lumbery.
We need to do away with 2 talls in favour of running players. And we might want to looks at swapping some older running players for younger running players.

If pressure is the key to winning a game. Select a team that can apply high pressure for longer as a starting point. Happy to lose by being outmarked. Happy to lose by not being skilled enough. Not happy when we lose because our team gets run off our feet by the end of each quarter and then game.

not denying they had a crack. if you read posts here again, the main, consistent critique is of the system, the game plan, the selection decisions and placement of players on the field.

as i said previously, Charlie and Kemp, 11 touches between them. that’s less than 3 per touches from your forward spine per quarter FFS. even if we had the rub of the green and won the game, less than three touches from your best two tall forwards is not sustainable football. it’s agonising football and i can’t think of a time, even when Jared Waite was our sole tall forward talent that we had less impact from our talls up the ground. don’t Kemp and Charlie know how to get a cheap
mark on the wing providing a quick outlet for the HBs to kick to? at least do that if you aren’t getting good delivery. invent a way to get into the game, in Charlie’s case he’s one of the most talent “game breaking” players in the AFL according to some (not in finals so far though). he was 100% unfit for VFL let alone AFL. if we don’t have the tall/small crumbing players to win the game due to H out and no front and centre players available then select for a different game plan, a transition style like we once knew how to play. allow our runners like Cotters to run both ways, not just chasing the heels of Hawks.

this is not about Charlie and Kemp (or JSOS if you like) being rubbish talent. this is about a game plan that doesn’t stack up in the modern game. this is about picking players who are so underdone they should be in the coaching box watching and learning how messed up our system is and offering opinions as to how we copy the better clubs and adapt to the modern game. this happens in all team sports, it happens in chess even, familiar styles of play get worked out and countered with novel adaptations. adapt or perish.

i’d rather see an immature recruit fumble and drop an uncontested mark than a veteran player any day of the week. the former at least comes with the hope from their good moments, the later is a Debbie Downer for every layer on the field, chanting “old man time is coming for you too!’

Add to that the bump from Ollie, where he just bounced off the Hawks player.

Booked dinner at Akiba for 7:30pm Thursday early in the week. Only realised yesterday morning that’s when the game was on.

Didn’t feel a hint of disappointment I’d miss the game when I realised. I don’t remember that happening before.

kingfish, coconut, nam jim, coriander
pork belly bun, char siu, asian slaw, pickles
japanese fried chicken, lemon braised onions, parmesan, sriracha mayo
cone bay barramundi, miso lemon butter, pickled enoki, pickled chilli
charred chinese broccoli, house made oyster sauce, sesame seed
wombok salad, bean shoots, peanuts, chilli, lime

Then went to the cinema and saw David Wenham in Spit having rewatched Gettin’ Square the night before.

Superb dinner, great film, happy beautiful partner.

Terrific night!

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I don't think any of us 'armchairers' are questioning how much effort we put in, but when it is mostly wasted effort you have to start asking questions.
We have the same issue we have had pretty much for the last 5 years, a lot of go but no quality.
Contested football requires a lot of energy and seemingly is tough to keep up for 4 quarters, aside from a streak at the end of 23 we have yet been able to emulate it with consistency.
Hence why we have a blistering quarter every game, then nothing.
Bombing to packs from/in the middle of the ground with players running forwards to only have to run back again is very taxing and not sustainable football.
Other teams just hold on for a quarter till we run out of puff then put us to the sword.
2 goals in a half and 0 in the last quarter is unacceptable for any team, including us.
This should be obvious to everyone including the coaches, coupled with the fact the game as evolved into more of an outside game, we need to be more dynamic.
Because the so called 'Carlton brand' we have is now becoming more outdated and easy to beat.
The Hawks had more run all game partially because of speed but mostly because they got space and hit targets.
368 to 313 disposals, 215 to 159 uncontested possessions and 74 to 49 marks paints a very clear picture.
Add 13 to 5 marks inside 50 to the mix and you can see effort for contested football is not effective.

We rarely play tempo football, we just bang it on the boot.
Last night coming out of D50 the players in the midfield were like statues most of the time, same thing was happening outside the F50 arc.
Were they conserving energy for the rebound or do they have no faith in the kicker or are they just trained to stand in groups as we will always bomb it long and just HOPE 1 payer will mark the ball or we will win the clearance.
Either way, we will never get our uncontested disposals up or work the arc for better F50 entires if we have 18 statues out there all moving to packs and waiting in hope.
That part was very disappointing to watch from our 'armchairs'.

Looking to blame umpires is just weak and I can guarantee Voss would not be looking at that either.
Sorry for the rant Eric, but we haven't developed anything in the off season while other teams have, this is what failure is, lack of progression in an ever moving sport.
And the sad part is that if key players are not playing their role or for the coach we have no depth or a system that can afford any changes.

Now that’s living! Love this post..

“Lack of progression in an ever moving sport”

This sums up the entire tenure under Voss. Inability to adapt, create and reinvent. Stubbornly hanging onto a gameplan that due to its brutality and the sustainability over 25 rounds;, was a question mark to begin with.

Thanks to the htb rule favouring outside over inside - run, spread, carry and skilfully picking targets… and now that brutal contested gameplan is completely obsolete and we have been effectively left behind.

Throw in no draft picks and the Tasmanian inclusion… and if we don’t act soon to steer this ship… we’re in another decade long hole.

This is what worries me the most.
Last night I was admiring how the Hawks move the ball out of D50.
They had an easy short kick option but waited until the umpire blew the whistle and we started moving to take it, just in case they could find something better and they did a lot of the times.
And their players were all moving around to create an option.
Meanwhile we were statues or had one or two players moving but were outnumbered a lot of the times and we took this option most of the time over a short kick.
So every push forward was a battle, that is how you create pressure on yourselves and increase poor disposals and poor decision making.
We have been doing this for too long expecting a different result, it might work for some teams but not most.
Frustrating.

How was Spit? Gettin Square one of the most underrated Aus films of all time.

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Left wing moralists
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They shit me no end

They had a go no question . Reckon our ferocity made the Hawks a whole lot harder than they thought they had to . Lack of run aside , just not enough blokes getting there hands on the football . Far too many in single digit numbers . 314 possessions aint gonna get you a win against anybody . I feel now is the time to rotate the bottom six in the hope of unearthing a gem . I mean , its alright to say they aren't ready but really lets give it a try all the same . Moir is a classic example of someone who wasn't ready . And I can guarantee you he wasn't ready coz he was shit in the Magoo's . He actually played better in the first's than he did in the Magoo's . That happens . For some unfathomable reason some blokes handle the step up . No guts , no glory . Give it a shot .

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Of course the effort looks good coming from last week when you're building off such a low base!

Effort. Contest. Pressure.

Why are these things lauded when they're literally the bare minimum expectation of any side who takes the field????

Typical AFL

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