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I think if we lose this, I may put the line through our season. We will get 8-9 wins and miss finals.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:08 pm 
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White, Binns & Boyd are the ones I’m looking at to come in.

Lemmey & Moir are the ones we need, but they were both a bit shit against Box Hill. Skull would be a chance as well. The reserves schedule is a real problem for us.

The forwards have, collectively, been a shambles so far. Charlie was just awful, far beyond what could be brushed off as cobwebs. Harry was alright for about a dozen moments against Richmond, but if he’s not right either then we’ll have to find something else.

I’d persist with Hollands at half back, but move Docherty back to the wing. Boyd will be a welcome return. Acres will respond. If Lucas is good enough to keep Binns out, then he’s doing ok… truth be told, I’ve always seen Binns as more of a slippery half forward than a winger. I like that he runs all day & finds the ground ball, but he doesn’t have the power to kick over a line, or turn half chances into clean possession… Lucas is spending some early tickets though.

Similar to Lucas, White is probably good for another week or two before conditioning comes into question. I think we have to take the chance.

More questions than answers, unfortunately.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:11 pm 
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I don't think the the Dogs will be that easy to beat, they played some pretty good footy against the Pies.

My team would look like this:

FB: Hollands Weitering Boyd
HB: Saad Young Williams
C: Walsh Cripps Camporeale
HF: Docherty JSOS Cottrell
FF: Kemp Charlie Fogarty
FOL: Cerra TDK Hewett
IC: Haynes Motlop Lord Binns
Sub: Acres

Reasons:
1. We need more run off HB and Williams and Boyd can provide overlapping handball chains and run.
2. Darcy is 208cm and we need someone to run with him and young is the only tall defender we have, all he has to do is create a contest and get the ball to the ground.
3. Walsh needs to be on the outside and providing run and overlap instead of Acres.
3. Harry looks like he will miss another week so JSOS needs to be a forward again. I'd rather him moving around the ground with his smarts and leaving Charlie hopefully 1 out in the square.
4. I'd prefer to make Acres sub this week to put the pressure on him to come in and do some damage in the last quarter or last half if needed.
5. Bring in Binns for more run and to rotate with Campo.

Also given the following information is true:
- We don’t have leg speed
- We are wildly inaccurate by foot
- We are the top contested team in the AFL
- We have enough elite distant runners;
Cottrell, Acres, Hollands, Camporeale, Doc, Walsh & Binns

I'd like to see some of the following changes:

1. If contested footy is our brand then we need to win and score more from centre clearances, we should be set up for this to be #1 priority.
When we break we need multiple runners moving the ball by hand to either kick a goal or hit a target in F50
Goal: Our mids kicking goals.

2. We need to have different ways to exit D50.
Short kicks, handball chains and direction changes with players running in groups of 2-3.
Also when a mark is taken instead of the whole team standing around we have at least 2 defenders nearby (preferably just forward of the ball) to receive handball and break lines and create opportunities.
Goal: Less errors coming out of defence and better chance of hitting targets outside F50.

3. Better F50 entires.
Handball chains, multiple players running forwards in waves, short kicks and directional changes.
Patience with the ball and tempo football a priority.
Goal: Holding the ball longer giving us a better chance to hit a target in F50

4. More marks in F50 and a better defensive set up.
If we are moving the ball slow then 2-3 talls need to sit in the square and take turns to move towards the ball carrier to receive mark in the 20-40m range.
Smalls need to sit around 50m and run towards talls to crumb the ball if necessary or stay around the 50m for the rebound allowing the defenders to set up at the D50 arc to stop any leaks.
GOAL: Increase space in F50 and at minimum give tall forwards a better chance by being a moving target. As well as being better prepared for rebounding from opposition.

I know these are all a bit elementary and we are probably trying to do a bit of it already, but standing around in packs like last week waiting for a long bomb and relying on contested footy only to try and win the ball every time is not working and we clearly don't have the kicking skills to pick teams apart by foot either. Less focus on kicking to packs would be a refreshing change.
We do have elite runners so we should be pushing up and down the ground as much as possible to capitalise on this, but smart running so we are running them into the ground and not ourselves.
And I don't care if we have more players being pinged with the ball or getting caught out because they have waited too long to take their kick, looking for options vs bombing should be a priority.

Anyway, just getting some thoughts out.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:32 pm 
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off twitter
-McKay still off the track with illness
- Curnow, Cottrell, light duties
- A good focus on exiting D50, defending entries
- Silvagni back, Kemp forward
- Docherty with defensive leaning group in drills alongside Camporeale, Acres, Binns
- Cerra with mids
- Pittonet, Cincotta doing laps
- Corey Durdin in full training

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:34 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
off twitter
-McKay still off the track with illness
- Curnow, Cottrell, light duties
- A good focus on exiting D50, defending entries
- Silvagni back, Kemp forward
- Docherty with defensive leaning group in drills alongside Camporeale, Acres, Binns
- Cerra with mids
- Pittonet, Cincotta doing laps
- Corey Durdin in full training

Some positive stuff there.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 3:52 pm 
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We need the twin towers up and running. Just disappointing to hear they aren't in full training mode just yet.
Please, pretty please, leave Cerra in the midfield from now on. He was killing it in the first half last week until shifted.
Good to hear Corey in full training.
Hope we are training the inside 50 entries and lowering the eyes or honoring the lead.
Hope to hear we are also training our run and carry with some midfield structures setup on the outside of the contest. :mad:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:33 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
I don't think the the Dogs will be that easy to beat, they played some pretty good footy against the Pies.

My team would look like this:

FB: Hollands Weitering Boyd
HB: Saad Young Williams
C: Walsh Cripps Camporeale
HF: Docherty JSOS Cottrell
FF: Kemp Charlie Fogarty
FOL: Cerra TDK Hewett
IC: Haynes Motlop Lord Binns
Sub: Acres

Reasons:
1. We need more run off HB and Williams and Boyd can provide overlapping handball chains and run.
2. Darcy is 208cm and we need someone to run with him and young is the only tall defender we have, all he has to do is create a contest and get the ball to the ground.
3. Walsh needs to be on the outside and providing run and overlap instead of Acres.
3. Harry looks like he will miss another week so JSOS needs to be a forward again. I'd rather him moving around the ground with his smarts and leaving Charlie hopefully 1 out in the square.
4. I'd prefer to make Acres sub this week to put the pressure on him to come in and do some damage in the last quarter or last half if needed.
5. Bring in Binns for more run and to rotate with Campo.

Also given the following information is true:
- We don’t have leg speed
- We are wildly inaccurate by foot
- We are the top contested team in the AFL
- We have enough elite distant runners;
Cottrell, Acres, Hollands, Camporeale, Doc, Walsh & Binns

I'd like to see some of the following changes:

1. If contested footy is our brand then we need to win and score more from centre clearances, we should be set up for this to be #1 priority.
When we break we need multiple runners moving the ball by hand to either kick a goal or hit a target in F50
Goal: Our mids kicking goals.

2. We need to have different ways to exit D50.
Short kicks, handball chains and direction changes with players running in groups of 2-3.
Also when a mark is taken instead of the whole team standing around we have at least 2 defenders nearby (preferably just forward of the ball) to receive handball and break lines and create opportunities.
Goal: Less errors coming out of defence and better chance of hitting targets outside F50.

3. Better F50 entires.
Handball chains, multiple players running forwards in waves, short kicks and directional changes.
Patience with the ball and tempo football a priority.
Goal: Holding the ball longer giving us a better chance to hit a target in F50

4. More marks in F50 and a better defensive set up.
If we are moving the ball slow then 2-3 talls need to sit in the square and take turns to move towards the ball carrier to receive mark in the 20-40m range.
Smalls need to sit around 50m and run towards talls to crumb the ball if necessary or stay around the 50m for the rebound allowing the defenders to set up at the D50 arc to stop any leaks.
GOAL: Increase space in F50 and at minimum give tall forwards a better chance by being a moving target. As well as being better prepared for rebounding from opposition.

I know these are all a bit elementary and we are probably trying to do a bit of it already, but standing around in packs like last week waiting for a long bomb and relying on contested footy only to try and win the ball every time is not working and we clearly don't have the kicking skills to pick teams apart by foot either. Less focus on kicking to packs would be a refreshing change.
We do have elite runners so we should be pushing up and down the ground as much as possible to capitalise on this, but smart running so we are running them into the ground and not ourselves.
And I don't care if we have more players being pinged with the ball or getting caught out because they have waited too long to take their kick, looking for options vs bombing should be a priority.

Anyway, just getting some thoughts out.


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bluehammer wrote:
In: Wiggins, McGrath
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:00 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
I don't think the the Dogs will be that easy to beat, they played some pretty good footy against the Pies.

My team would look like this:

FB: Hollands Weitering Boyd
HB: Saad Young Williams
C: Walsh Cripps Camporeale
HF: Docherty JSOS Cottrell
FF: Kemp Charlie Fogarty
FOL: Cerra TDK Hewett
IC: Haynes Motlop Lord Binns
Sub: Acres

Reasons:
1. We need more run off HB and Williams and Boyd can provide overlapping handball chains and run.
2. Darcy is 208cm and we need someone to run with him and young is the only tall defender we have, all he has to do is create a contest and get the ball to the ground.
3. Walsh needs to be on the outside and providing run and overlap instead of Acres.
3. Harry looks like he will miss another week so JSOS needs to be a forward again. I'd rather him moving around the ground with his smarts and leaving Charlie hopefully 1 out in the square.
4. I'd prefer to make Acres sub this week to put the pressure on him to come in and do some damage in the last quarter or last half if needed.
5. Bring in Binns for more run and to rotate with Campo.

Also given the following information is true:
- We don’t have leg speed
- We are wildly inaccurate by foot
- We are the top contested team in the AFL
- We have enough elite distant runners;
Cottrell, Acres, Hollands, Camporeale, Doc, Walsh & Binns

I'd like to see some of the following changes:

1. If contested footy is our brand then we need to win and score more from centre clearances, we should be set up for this to be #1 priority.
When we break we need multiple runners moving the ball by hand to either kick a goal or hit a target in F50
Goal: Our mids kicking goals.

2. We need to have different ways to exit D50.
Short kicks, handball chains and direction changes with players running in groups of 2-3.
Also when a mark is taken instead of the whole team standing around we have at least 2 defenders nearby (preferably just forward of the ball) to receive handball and break lines and create opportunities.
Goal: Less errors coming out of defence and better chance of hitting targets outside F50.

3. Better F50 entires.
Handball chains, multiple players running forwards in waves, short kicks and directional changes.
Patience with the ball and tempo football a priority.
Goal: Holding the ball longer giving us a better chance to hit a target in F50

4. More marks in F50 and a better defensive set up.
If we are moving the ball slow then 2-3 talls need to sit in the square and take turns to move towards the ball carrier to receive mark in the 20-40m range.
Smalls need to sit around 50m and run towards talls to crumb the ball if necessary or stay around the 50m for the rebound allowing the defenders to set up at the D50 arc to stop any leaks.
GOAL: Increase space in F50 and at minimum give tall forwards a better chance by being a moving target. As well as being better prepared for rebounding from opposition.

I know these are all a bit elementary and we are probably trying to do a bit of it already, but standing around in packs like last week waiting for a long bomb and relying on contested footy only to try and win the ball every time is not working and we clearly don't have the kicking skills to pick teams apart by foot either. Less focus on kicking to packs would be a refreshing change.
We do have elite runners so we should be pushing up and down the ground as much as possible to capitalise on this, but smart running so we are running them into the ground and not ourselves.
And I don't care if we have more players being pinged with the ball or getting caught out because they have waited too long to take their kick, looking for options vs bombing should be a priority.

Anyway, just getting some thoughts out.


Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Food for thought.

Like your reasoning sidex

Williams back to HBF was also suggested by Bartel
Walshy on the wing was also suggested by Lloyd

They have their reasons as you do too.

IMO Williams is easily our best small forward. I don't know why he's only been playing 65% of game.
I'm a huge fan of smart rotations in different positions and bench.

Also, with the midfield improving their defensive pressure this year (maybe too much imo) the idea of Saad Williams and Docherty/Boyd back excites me. Now with Hollands with them and there's a fair bit of run and line breaking ability from defence.

I really like what Ive seen from Hollands in praccy and H&A. He's amazing at shutting down and only player constantly moving in the backline; something Saad should also be doing with Doc or Boydy back there.

I also notice Cowan is omitted from your team. I have no problem with that. He was recruited as a line breaking HB, and playing a lockdown role on smalls. I was shocked to see Tigers smalls out pacing him. Jaw dropping moment.

I really like Hollands as a wing, but happy either way. Just really disappointed in Acres so far this year. Really disappointed in his mindset (reckless kicking) and fitness.

I'm not a fan of Gov Kemp Binns and Motlop TBH. I'm trying to. Glad to see Gov not in. I can't help thinking Young may need to double team Darcy when we can and you have Haynes there. He will get back to preseason form (unless that was Dancing with your sister form) But I like your logic with Lucas Binns rotation. Keep them fresh. Only problem I have with that combo is that I expect a wingman to play 70% GT at the very least. Its not a bruising position, and wonder what the 2nd will do for 70% of the time. What I do like is we get to see if Binns can handle the contest with better players than he was exposed to last year.

What happens if Harry is available. He didn't train outside on Monday but was inside (seen on video with kids in his footy outfit). I think he'll play, and Liam Jones will take him, or Liam will take Charlie. Liam is quick and much taller than the underdone Charlie, so not sure I'd leave out Harry. I'd drop Acres altogether, and put Kemp as sub...or Binns

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bluehammer wrote:
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:43 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Food for thought.

Like your reasoning sidex

Williams back to HBF was also suggested by Bartel
Walshy on the wing was also suggested by Lloyd

They have their reasons as you do too.

IMO Williams is easily our best small forward. I don't know why he's only been playing 65% of game.
I'm a huge fan of smart rotations in different positions and bench.

Also, with the midfield improving their defensive pressure this year (maybe too much imo) the idea of Saad Williams and Docherty/Boyd back excites me. Now with Hollands with them and there's a fair bit of run and line breaking ability from defence.

I really like what Ive seen from Hollands in praccy and H&A. He's amazing at shutting down and only player constantly moving in the backline; something Saad should also be doing with Doc or Boydy back there.

I also notice Cowan is omitted from your team. I have no problem with that. He was recruited as a line breaking HB, and playing a lockdown role on smalls. I was shocked to see Tigers smalls out pacing him. Jaw dropping moment.

I really like Hollands as a wing, but happy either way. Just really disappointed in Acres so far this year. Really disappointed in his mindset (reckless kicking) and fitness.

I'm not a fan of Gov Kemp Binns and Motlop TBH. I'm trying to. Glad to see Gov not in. I can't help thinking Young may need to double team Darcy when we can and you have Haynes there. He will get back to preseason form (unless that was Dancing with your sister form) But I like your logic with Lucas Binns rotation. Keep them fresh. Only problem I have with that combo is that I expect a wingman to play 70% GT at the very least. Its not a bruising position, and wonder what the 2nd will do for 70% of the time. What I do like is we get to see if Binns can handle the contest with better players than he was exposed to last year.

What happens if Harry is available. He didn't train outside on Monday but was inside (seen on video with kids in his footy outfit). I think he'll play, and Liam Jones will take him, or Liam will take Charlie. Liam is quick and much taller than the underdone Charlie, so not sure I'd leave out Harry. I'd drop Acres altogether, and put Kemp as sub...or Binns

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Great minds then.
We lack run so Williams back is the only solution we have really.
And I've always preferred Walsh on the wing as in past comments and with Acres lack of performance it's a no brainer.

Harry in for Kemp 100%.
The only reason I put Binns in was to add more gut running, I nearly put White in instead, but now Durdin might be fit, put him in instead as Motlop has been getting more minutes in the midfield anyway.
Lord was the other risky choice but we need another inside mid to be on rotation if Walsh is on the wing.

The biggest problem with Hollands is he for some reason he goes to shit when attacking forward of the centre circle.
I think he is better in the backline and having Acres as sub might just give him the boot he needs.


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Durdin not fit. Just resumed training.

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jezzarules wrote:
Durdin not fit. Just resumed training.

That sucks.
Maybe White can have a crack then.


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Our Last VFL Game against the Hawks was shown Live on AFL.com.au so I managed to watch some of it & I must say, there wasn't much joy to see!

No one really put their hands up for Selections. Our Youngsters seems to have gone Backwards in terms of Development!


Moir was hardly Cited and didn't seem interested. Same with Binns who had plenty of Junk Disposals- did nothing. The rest are not even worth mentioning. Did nothing!


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Durdin not fit. Just resumed training.



I’d like to see Durdin play 3 games in a row in VFL before considering selection in the AFL - although as per David Cuningham I think that’s about the limit of games in a row he’s ever likely to play - which is unfortunate as he has talent.

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Durdin not fit. Just resumed training.

Never stopped us before.


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Harry McKay is almost certain to miss Friday night vs the Western Bulldogs, with Brodie Kemp and Jack Silvagni to support Charlie Curnow in attack.

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