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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 6:49 pm 
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Why don't we play Docherty or Walsh forward more? Give other teams another quality forward to worry about. They don't worry about Durdin or Motlop.

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Martin as sub would be a good option


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:07 pm 
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It's time we brought back LOB. He's the only specialist scapegoat we have, and the team clearly can't cope without him there to absorb the hatred of our supporters.


:lol:

Can imagine him on the old Scanlens footy swap cards now: LOB - Specialist Scapegoat

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Lachie Plowman would be disappointed with the 'only recognised scapegoat' title going unchallenged.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:34 pm 
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If they're looking for motivation, I would lock the players down in a room for a few hours before the game and play the cringeworthy, shrieking audio of the Pies players' mums revving up the players yesterday before the game, on a continuous loop.

I just heard it on SEN and was so bad it made me want to run through a brick wall and take these phonies down.



Play them audio of our own half time ground announcer from the other night....

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bluehammer wrote:
Lachie Plowman would be disappointed with the 'only recognised scapegoat' title going unchallenged.


Name one Lachie that's worked out for us.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 8:47 pm 
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Martin as sub would be a good option



I like it, but if he's ready, we may as well take advantage of his availability from the first bounce, coz we need him....fit.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 9:13 pm 
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Kennedy forward worker in the past …


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 9:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
Martin as sub would be a good option



I like it, but if he's ready, we may as well take advantage of his availability from the first bounce, coz we need him....fit.


fair call


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 10:22 pm 
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We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2023 11:54 pm 
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We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.


I heard groans and expressions of disbelief as he lined up. I was doing the same on the inside. We need better than lairising from our captain. Someone else mentioned that the Brownlow might have gone to his head. I hope not.

Good assessment overall, BV. What we'd give to be flies on the coaching box wall at the mo.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 6:24 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.


Pretty much agree with all of that except I’m in no rush to rest Hollands and wouldn’t bring Martin back unless he’s fit enough (under your good philosophy of players playing within their capabilities which I think extends to fitness too).


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 7:55 am 
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Playing some of our players where they offer value would mean shipping them off to the Tallygaroopna Reserves.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 8:27 am 
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In terms of metres gained we don’t have one player in the top 30
Guess who is our number one
Blake Acres
Yes I repeat Blake Acres at 38
What does that say
Voss needs to change things up
He can’t keep playing the same midfield mix
It’s too vanilla
Not enough outside run
As for Martin getting a run and people saying he is our best defensive forward
Your kidding me
He is a good overhead mark for his size
That’s about it
To bring him back again the best team without a game is ridiculous

I repeat
Our list isn’t good enough and we need to have a big clean out finally do some clever trades
IfDe Koning is right play him for the rest of the year to see if there is improvement
Otherwise get a first rounder
Play Saad further up the ground
Don’t play Hewett or Curnow
Bring in Carroll and Kemp
Play Durdin Owies Charlie in the middle for periods
Voss needs to experiment with what he has got and look to 2024 now


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 9:26 am 
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keogh wrote:
In terms of metres gained we don’t have one player in the top 30
Guess who is our number one
Blake Acres
Yes I repeat Blake Acres at 38
What does that say
Voss needs to change things up
He can’t keep playing the same midfield mix
It’s too vanilla
Not enough outside run
As for Martin getting a run and people saying he is our best defensive forward
Your kidding me
He is a good overhead mark for his size
That’s about it
To bring him back again the best team without a game is ridiculous

I repeat
Our list isn’t good enough and we need to have a big clean out finally do some clever trades
IfDe Koning is right play him for the rest of the year to see if there is improvement
Otherwise get a first rounder
Play Saad further up the ground
Don’t play Hewett or Curnow
Bring in Carroll and Kemp
Play Durdin Owies Charlie in the middle for periods
Voss needs to experiment with what he has got and look to 2024 now


Something has to change, and I expect it will. Start with execution.
We should have beaten Dogs and saints if not for poor execution.
As you point out we need to run the ball and gain territory. Tweak can fix that.

Martin played VFL on the weekend. Kicked the first goal.
He's been on a huge training block. If he's fit he plays.
We don't have another marking HF, other than Honey :roll:
Owies is our small forward. We don't need 3 small forwards.

Who would you replace with Carroll?
Have you watched his reserves form? His execution hasnt been great, nor his form.

Kemp may be a HBF, but I think he's a forward-mid.
Anyhow, he was dropped for terrible execution and suffering the nervous nellies.
Who would you drop for Kemp?

If its between Hewett and Ed to omit, it must be Ed for me, now Cotrell is back.

Did I mention execution is our No 1 killer, and despite the failed first round picks, we still have a good list.
We need a really good ruckman imo, a dangerous marking HF.
Marchbank as the intercept mark could release Gov to the forwardline.
Williams would have been handy as a running HBF like he was groomed preseason, releasing Doc to mids.

Pity Marchbank, Gov, Martin & Williams are all injury prone.
They are on our list, they are quality, but can't be counted on.

There's our big issues: injury prone stars, the ruck and execution efficiency.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 9:41 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We don't need major changes. Just play people where they offer value. Kennedy had the most centre clearances for us. Where was he sitting in the last quarter when the Dogs got on a run? The bench. Meanwhile Sam Docherty who had a grand total of zero centre clearances was in the centre bounces.
Meanwhile Adam Cerra who has been our best performed mid for weeks was half back for the second half. Docherty isn't a ball winner. He's an accumulator. He had 2 total clearances for the night. Kennedy had 8. Whilst keeping Bont to 3.
Docherty to H/B. Kennedy and Cerra more midfield time, less for Cripps unless he is on fire and beating his opponent.

Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox. Whether he's tall forward or ruck.

We saw again on Saturday that our current personnel can play fast footy if required. We don't need wholesale changes .Just a wholesale change of style. Forget high risk corridor footy or slow, backwards footy. We just need faster ball movement. Get it and play on. Give, run and receive. It's not difficult. Don't stand there with the ball waiting for the opposition to get numbers back. Play the ball instinctively. The boundary game is fine. Just use the space before the opposition fill it.

Loved Cottrell's game. He's on one wing and stays there.
Lastly, tell the players to stay within their skill set. Did anyone else at the game have any faith that Cripps could kick a left footer around the corner? Not me. He has trouble kicking a straight kick on his left. Don't embarrass yourself again. Stick to what you do well and try to do it properly. Cripps, Harry and Motlop. 3 shots round the corner within 25m that all failed to score. Pathetic. Kick those and the game was ours IMO.

Lastly, defending. What the @#$%&! is going on with offering teasing distance to the opposition? The idea is to challenge them to take the kick and to cut it off. We just offer the space and allow them the disposal. Either start cutting off some of the kicks or go one on one. I'm sick of seeing the opposition have chains of 3 or 4 marks from point lick ins. Especially when we struggle to get more than one. We're defending the corridor well but it can't be at the expense of consistently offering free disposals.


Agree with most of your post.

I thought Cottrell and Hollands were in our best in the first half vs Dogs. I cant see why Hollands to be dropped, but if he is, fair enough. I dont think he deserves to be dropped.

I've seen too many good things from Doc in the midfield and would cherish him in the mid mix.

Last week we had the inside bulls Libba, Kennedy, Bont, Cripps, Hewett all going in head first, so I can see why Doc may have been squeezed out at CB's & CC's. But Doc did fantastic things as a mid on the weekend. Still one of our better players.

Boyd will be back soon to add run. Whilst Doc was an AA at HB, we know he can play there, but can we release him to the midfield group, not as the inside, just in the mix? That depends on who the back 7 are made up of.

Young out of the backline to follow Cox everywhere is a great idea. Young is a good runner and that will be an advantage over Cox. Leaves Weiters on Mihocek 192 and Gov on Johnson 193. They aren't tall forwards. Would be good to release Weiters as the intercept mark, but there's no one else tall enough to mind Johnson. I'm thinking Jack Silvagni goes on Johnson when Cox is in the ruck with Young.

I'm starting to build belief we can squeeze these Magpies this weekend.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 10:03 am 
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I think it’s time Harry took in the second ruck role, it would solve quite a few team balance issues if he could become a genuine second ruck, and his mobility should make him a good option in general play around the ground as a follower.


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Don’t do that to yourself.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 10:55 am 
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Dow needs to come in and enhance our ability to win and work the ball out of tight areas. We cannot continue to be so slow in the clearance area. Do the same thing, then expect the same result.

Walsh on the wing to enhance his impact. He is far more dangerous on the wing.

Cerra must also be at most of the centre clearances.

JSOS and McGovern to mix it up on half forward / half back ... McGovern in short bursts up forward is the go.

If they put their fastest midfielder on Cripps then Cripps drags them to the forward line ... you should always try to reverse an awkward match up to suit yourself


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:18 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Martin comes in. He's our best defensive forward and he provides a marking option who can actually kick the ball. JSOS sub. Hollands out. I don't like using defenders as second ruck but I'd let Young go with Cox.

Good idea using Young as a second ruck - especially against the Pies as they don't have many aerial threats and Weiters or McGovern can play on Mihocek.
I would love Martin to replace SOS however am concerned over his lack of match fitness - might be worth rolling the dice however as JSOS has been ineffective.

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