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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:05 pm 
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .



Don't agree with this. Kick it to where they need to get to is what I was taught. If the opposition has a player there, dump it on his head so your team mate can jump into him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:48 pm 
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .


Just from what Ive seen live and on TV in the last 6 games. Plenty of leads not honoured. Ignorance is the nicest word I could find.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:51 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .



Don't agree with this. Kick it to where they need to get to is what I was taught. If the opposition has a player there, dump it on his head so your team mate can jump into him.


I've been screaming at the tv for ages now.
Ram into them once or twice then lets see what happens.
Are these coaches that soft or blind?


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:06 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Young's last chance this week but I'd forget the ruck role. He was playing OK until we changed his role.
I'm coming around to the thoughts about playing TDK in defence. If we're going to play a tall defender in the ruck (which I don't like), I'd rather it be Tom.
JSOS needs a role other than FP but the wing rotation isn't working. He needs to play relieving ruck or play 2's.
I'd settle the defence, bring in Cottrell and Owies for Hollands and Honey. Kennedy in to the 22, Walsh to high H/F.
I keep hearing how we can't play Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy and Cerra in the middle. It worked OK earlier last year. Our mids brutalised their opponents. We need to get back to that. No excuses. If they cant execute their role. Step aside and give someone else a shot.
Lastly, get some cameos going in the middle. Durdin, Motlop. Even Acres. Change it up.

B: Cincotta, Young, McGovern
HB: Docherty, Weitering, Saad
C: Acres, Cripps, Cottrell
HF: Owies, Harry, Walsh
F: Motlop, Charlie, Durdin
Foll: Pittonet, Kennedy, Cerra
Int: Kemp, Hewett, Ed, Silvagni
Sub: Boyd


Young on his last chance for what position and why? are you talking about KPD-ruck? For TDK?

If so, has TDK ever been played as a KPD since he was drafted?

I'd like to see TDK play KPD in the reserves first and get some development under his belt rather than throwing him under the bus.

I like all the suggested changes I'm reading, and there's heaps of good suggestions to find the best spot for 22 players, and they make my ears prick.

I think our best intercept mark is the same guy who was the same best intercept mark in the TAC when he was playing there: Weitering.
Weiters form hasn't been great vs Saints and Lions. Young hasn't been worse imo. The turnovers haven't been unhelpful for KPD's.

It seems we are experimenting in the backline with Cincotta & Kemp playing their 2nd game there. Add TDK, and its a backline that hasnt played much together at all, let alone having secured their spots in the backline. Add Newman's suspension, and I would call our backline unsettled.

I get we are a work in progress, but our backline was our stregth. They arent the ones who missed easy shots at goal that cost us vs Saints, nor creating the 85 points kicked against us from turnovers.

I'm looking forward to Boyd getting back to last year's form and get him in. Farmer thinks he's worth the risk. I'm just saying he didnt look like an inform player knocking down the door. If he didnt do all the kick ins, he would have been ... missing altogether.

I was kinda hoping Sam Durdin and Young could take KPDs to allow Weitering to control the air ...if he was in form.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:06 pm 
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I'm looking forward to having Owies back in the team. I think he's turned out to be a much bigger loss than we realised at the time

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:23 pm 
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JSOS needs a role other than FP but the wing rotation isn't working.


Could he do a tag on Bontempelli? The latter is on fire, we need a plan for him. How have we handled him in recent years? We've got a good record against the Dogs so we must have done something right.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:25 pm 
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no way i will booing Jones ,but 2 names that we cant stop and are driving force for footscray BONT and English how can we stop these two.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:35 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
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JSOS needs a role other than FP but the wing rotation isn't working.


Could he do a tag on Bontempelli? The latter is on fire, we need a plan for him. How have we handled him in recent years? We've got a good record against the Dogs so we must have done something right.



This is the best new idea I've read thus far. SOS can follow him everywhere, including down back. Wear him like a glove.

I think we match up well against Dogs because we have a stronger contested game, whereas there weapon in the middle is the handball happy style on the outside.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:18 pm 
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I'm looking forward to having Owies back in the team. I think he's turned out to be a much bigger loss than we realised at the time

This is a very accurate comment.
He has been sorely missed.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:30 pm 
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Channel 9 news just said we're appealing Newman. Is this correct?

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:31 pm 
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Channel 9 news just said we're appealing Newman. Is this correct?

Yes it is


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:33 pm 
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The Blues' midfield are up for the challenge of taking on in-form Bulldogs skipper Marcus Bontempelli and have homed in on providing better delivery to their forwards.

"That's something we're going to work with – building that connection across the ground so we can get more bang for our buck with the ball in hand," Cerra said.

"It's just execution that's letting us down."


Cerra and the club obviously have different expectations for the season going by the first part of the article (linked).
If that is their attitude it definitely matches our drafting last season, a development year.
A bit weird and not what anyone of us really want or thought we should be doing after just missing out on the top 8 by %.

The quoted part is a pretty accurate picture of what is happening and what we are up for this weekend.

And it's good to see the players taken ownership for their poor performances.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/922030/missing-finals-wouldn-t-be-a-failure-for-blues-says-gun-mid


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:37 pm 
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Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:38 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was

:thumbsup:
Our press team need better guidance by the sounds of it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:06 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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“If you look at [Carlton] statistically, they're up in contested ball differential, their clearances are ok, they're defending turnover ok.

“Their ball movement is very similar to St Kilda. They try and build from the back and then they try and go when they get their opportunity, and they actually finish better inside 50.

“So, there's a lot of things to actually to drill down and look at it, it doesn't give you the full picture.

“The picture is that Carlton's game is taken away from them too easily by the opposition and Carlton don't spend enough time taking the opposition's game away from them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/05/07/the-buck-stops-here-a-message-to-franklin-hecklers-carltons-key-issue-and/

Other than the occasional tag from Ed, I don't see us really focussed on taking away the oppositions strengths. Voss backs his players to get it to Harry and Charlie.

Firstly we have to stop being one dimensional to Harry and Charlie.

Martin wont be back this week, but Owies will. His leading in the reserves was quite good. Whether his leads are honoured is another story in the AFL. Our HF's have been spreading and providing options and have been ignored.


But have they been ignored Bondi ? the leads are so tentative and wishy washy they create confusion in the bloke coming downfield with the ball . I reckon it is that split second of hesitation that is creating the poor kicks . FFS , if you are going to lead , lead hard and demand the ball .


Just from what Ive seen live and on TV in the last 6 games. Plenty of leads not honoured. Ignorance is the nicest word I could find.


Agree with your comment there Bondi .... I've witnessed that myself ...... BUT...... The abysmal passing to valid leads (call them whatever you want) was like watching a horror movie vs Brisbane.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 5:23 pm 
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Everything is fixable . We are not broken beyond repair .

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 6:01 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was


There are some extremely disappointing comments from Adam in that article.

It reeks of accepting mediocrity which has been a massive club culture and playing group issue for far, far too long. To see one of our "leading" midfielders speak like that in the media is just a massive slap in the face to the club and more importantly supporters.

:banghead: :garthp: :confused: :mad:

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 6:24 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
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Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was


There are some extremely disappointing comments from Adam in that article.

It reeks of accepting mediocrity which has been a massive club culture and playing group issue for far, far too long. To see one of our "leading" midfielders speak like that in the media is just a massive slap in the face to the club and more importantly supporters.

:banghead: :garthp: :confused: :mad:


Have to separate what is purely media talk and what is not.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 6:29 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Regarding missing finals. I suppose it would be too complex for a footballer to say something to the effect of "well, I'd regard it as a failure but I suppose individual opinions in the club may vary & there'd be some of us who wouldn't"

Perfect political answer. Say something without saying something. Instead he's going to get pulled up like Harry was


There are some extremely disappointing comments from Adam in that article.

It reeks of accepting mediocrity which has been a massive club culture and playing group issue for far, far too long. To see one of our "leading" midfielders speak like that in the media is just a massive slap in the face to the club and more importantly supporters.

:banghead: :garthp: :confused: :mad:


We have missed finals for most of the last 22 years, so big deal if we miss again this year.

What a joke.


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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:23 pm 
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Everything is fixable . We are not broken beyond repair .



That's the point.

Everyone could see Carlton didn't have their mojo from round 1
After the Eagles game everyone knew it was a training run but maybe we found our mojo.

No doubt we've hit rock bottom. But we are good enough to claw out 4 1/2 games.
We have at least 10 stars surrounded by good footballers.

Looking for mojo

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