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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:28 pm 
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Hmmm….

might save Honey’s arse…yikes…!


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Motlop being out should not be saving anyone arse.


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Very true….

so in reality…we should have at least 4 changes
this week…maybe 5…!

lets see…!


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Indeed Tommi. Wholesale changes and let’s see if the tough ones can be made.


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Out: Honey, Motlop, Fisher, Hewett, Curnow, O’Brien

In: Saad, Cottrell, Boyd, Dow , Carroll , Kemp

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:56 am 
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I'm clearly alone in still backing Honey in. I think he's just down on confidence and remember he's hardly played many senior games. That doesn't mean he should retain his spot in the side right now because his form is down. But I see a talented footballer who's not being developed terribly well right now. Just in the sense he's down on confidence and being asked to play seniors.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:57 am 
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tommi wrote:
Very true….

so in reality…we should have at least 4 changes
this week…maybe 5…!

lets see…!


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But the ball movement and decision making was fine.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:26 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
B Newman Young McGovern
HB Saad Weitering Williams
C Hollands Cerra Acres
HF Martin McKay Walsh
F TDK Curnow Owies
R XXXXX Cripps Walsh Hewett
INT Kennedy Marchbank Docherty Cottrell
EMERG Cuningham

Pick Saad if he's fit. Pick the rest out of a hat and there'll be minimal difference.


Great summary Rod, and agree.

I have filled in the gaps with injured players.

Tells me the team can be strong, line breaking quick, and challenge for the top 4, so the list is fine. The ruck with Pitto isnt a world beater but all we have for now to create a contest.

When we factor the money taken up in the cap by injured and injury prone players, you can see its more than just a coaching issue, and injuries to KEY players is hurting us more than injury hurt Saints missing only King. The rest of Saints injured players are depth.

Carlton have first selected players out, depth players injured and are playing kids to fill roles: Motlop, Durdin Hollands Cowan, Honey and a top up player making their debut Cincotta who takes Philps spot on the list. There it is in a nutshell.

This week we get TDK back, another week under Boyd's belt and introduce Cottrell through VFL, the week after we have the return of Owies and Saad and after that Docherty and Martin.

We need to bank as many wins as we can whilst we are hit by injury. WCE is soooo important to get us to 4.5 wins at the end of round 7.

Following a win over WCE, then its 9-10 more wins from next 16 games. We can resuscitate our quest for Finals when we get back running backs Saad Docherty Boyd and sort out HF. Will Martin stand up when we need him most? That's our lot at this stage of the year.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:00 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I'm clearly alone in still backing Honey in. I think he's just down on confidence and remember he's hardly played many senior games. That doesn't mean he should retain his spot in the side right now because his form is down. But I see a talented footballer who's not being developed terribly well right now. Just in the sense he's down on confidence and being asked to play seniors.


Your not alone Paddy . I always could see the blokes potential . Not sure why he is copping the criticism after the Saints game coz he played better than Motlop and Durdin not that that is an indicator coz that pair where putrid . It is the small/medium forward set up that is killing us at the moment .

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:58 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I'm clearly alone in still backing Honey in. I think he's just down on confidence and remember he's hardly played many senior games. That doesn't mean he should retain his spot in the side right now because his form is down. But I see a talented footballer who's not being developed terribly well right now. Just in the sense he's down on confidence and being asked to play seniors.


Your not alone Paddy . I always could see the blokes potential . Not sure why he is copping the criticism after the Saints game coz he played better than Motlop and Durdin not that that is an indicator coz that pair where putrid . It is the small/medium forward set up that is killing us at the moment .


We put all our money into drafting Martin to fill our HF position. He's seasoned, can run all day, mark and kick goals....when he's fit. Cuningham was earmarked as the other HF and he was one of our draft picks we were developing.

We hear posters beg our coaches to develop our own, and give the kids a go, and when they are given an opportunity to build on their role, such as Honey has been, (and Kemp, Philp when played, Carroll) the same posters will say he's useless and doesn't deserve it and not ready, or a branded another failed draftee. Its quite sad. Yet those who know better about the player and our needs and our development plan, and our contingencies are selecting him. There's a message in that alone.

Have a look at the first 5 minutes of the game up to SOS first goal. Have a look at the 2nd goal of the quarter. Honey played a role in those goals. Cleared the path for SOS. His hard hits and physical game is what we want to see more of but its obvious he's playing a role to be an option on the outside.

In the last quarter Curnow kicks the ball long into the waiting arms of a lone Saint. The game was still in the balance. Honey had sprinted his guts out into the HF on his own about 35m from goal. He was completely ignored like Durdin was in round 23 last year in the last. No way Curnow could miss him coming onto his right foot. Glad the commentators mentioned it because no one seems to have mentioned it on footy forums. He's only 21yo.

We have been forced to play the kids before they are ready. Durdin Motlop have become faves for some but you don't hear boo when they play 80% game time and do very little. They all show signs, but not an AFL game...yet.

Kids need development and because of injury we need to play the kids. Honey is played to develop his HF craft because he has strength and is strong (have a look at last week's training photos), he's a unique specimen. He's super quick. Can take a mark and kick straight from 50. Any wonder why he has been getting games when he's fit? The cupboard is bare and we need to develop our own. What's our alternative? Trade in another HF which will take up plenty of cap space if we want a good one. That's where we are at. We need to develop our own. Its hit or miss if we are to see success, but we have to keep developing our own.

Kemp is another potential HF but he is being developed for a HB role. Dow isnt a HF. Fogarty wont be on the list next year. Carroll is a mid, but potentially a one sided HF. Honey seems to be the heir apparent. Lets hope we do a good job developing him and Motlop and Durdin. We are missing Owies and Martin more than some think.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:16 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I'm clearly alone in still backing Honey in. I think he's just down on confidence and remember he's hardly played many senior games. That doesn't mean he should retain his spot in the side right now because his form is down. But I see a talented footballer who's not being developed terribly well right now. Just in the sense he's down on confidence and being asked to play seniors.


Your not alone Paddy . I always could see the blokes potential . Not sure why he is copping the criticism after the Saints game coz he played better than Motlop and Durdin not that that is an indicator coz that pair where putrid . It is the small/medium forward set up that is killing us at the moment .


We put all our money into drafting Martin to fill our HF position. He's seasoned, can run all day, mark and kick goals....when he's fit. Cuningham was earmarked as the other HF and he was one of our draft picks we were developing.

We hear posters beg our coaches to develop our own, and give the kids a go, and when they are given an opportunity to build on their role, such as Honey has been, (and Kemp, Philp when played, Carroll) the same posters will say he's useless and doesn't deserve it and not ready, or a branded another failed draftee. Its quite sad. Yet those who know better about the player and our needs and our development plan, and our contingencies are selecting him. There's a message in that alone.

Have a look at the first 5 minutes of the game up to SOS first goal. Have a look at the 2nd goal of the quarter. Honey played a role in those goals. Cleared the path for SOS. His hard hits and physical game is what we want to see more of but its obvious he's playing a role to be an option on the outside.

In the last quarter Curnow kicks the ball long into the waiting arms of a lone Saint. The game was still in the balance. Honey had sprinted his guts out into the HF on his own about 35m from goal. He was completely ignored like Durdin was in round 23 last year in the last. No way Curnow could miss him coming onto his right foot. Glad the commentators mentioned it because no one seems to have mentioned it on footy forums. He's only 21yo.

We have been forced to play the kids before they are ready. Durdin Motlop have become faves for some but you don't hear boo when they play 80% game time and do very little. They all show signs, but not an AFL game...yet.

Kids need development and because of injury we need to play the kids. Honey is played to develop his HF craft because he has strength and is strong (have a look at last week's training photos), he's a unique specimen. He's super quick. Can take a mark and kick straight from 50. Any wonder why he has been getting games when he's fit? The cupboard is bare and we need to develop our own. What's our alternative? Trade in another HF which will take up plenty of cap space if we want a good one. That's where we are at. We need to develop our own. Its hit or miss if we are to see success, but we have to keep developing our own.

Kemp is another potential HF but he is being developed for a HB role. Dow isnt a HF. Fogarty wont be on the list next year. Carroll is a mid, but potentially a one sided HF. Honey seems to be the heir apparent. Lets hope we do a good job developing him and Motlop and Durdin. We are missing Owies and Martin more than some think.


Wasn’t it Harry who ignored Honey and instead kicked long to a saints defender?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:22 am 
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
There has been a lot of chat about insipid performances yesterday but not much mention of Fisher who I thought was the most pathetic of all - avoiding contact, avoiding teammates in better positions, holding on to the ball too long and then, repeatedly, kicking directly to a Saints defender.

There is no way he should be selected this week.

I would go close to dropping JSOS as well - that simple miss from dead in front turned the game. I know he puts in but effort is not enough - he needs to hold his marks and kick those goals. I know Kemp has been playing in defence but I have liked the few times he has played up forward. The other option would be Kennedy - a very solid mark and a good kick for goal, also allows Dow to come in and play his natural position.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:25 am 
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AGRO wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Last year's game vs. WCE in Perth was utterly bizarre... 5.4 to 0.0 in the first quarter, then they kick 7.3 in the 2nd, another 1.2 in the opening minutes of the 3rd, then they don't score again for the rest of the game... we close with a 7.4 to 0.0 final quarter and win by 63 points.

And in typical TC fashion, most of the post-game talk was "WHY DID WE GIVE UP SEVEN GOALS IN THE SECOND QUARTER?!?!?"

I'll take a 63 point win next week, thanks very much!




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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:31 am 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
Part of the reason I am keen to see Dow given a go is not just because of what I think he can bring, it is simply to broadcast that effort is critical. You want to send a signal that effort is its own quality. Being seen to reward it reinforces the value. Conversely if effort is not seen to be rewarded or if lack of effort is seen to be protected, the culture of the place deteriorates.
I think we did this (promote effort) initially with Ollie and cow but seem to have lost it since.
We have talent but we want to be seen as passionately desperate in every contest. Keeping paddy in the twos can send the message that it’s about who you are not what you do…
I don’t think paddy is a silver bullet -he may struggle initially as he may understandably lack confidence. But I think we want to encourage hunger.


HIT NAIL ON HEAD

I doubt any Carlton supporter is CONVINCED Dow will make it or make a difference

But, if you want to talk about "culture", the last thing you need is a toxic locker room divided over coaches pets or not (and yes, I know it happens in all sports, but it doesn't make it right)

We almost lost Kennedy bc of that %^%^ Teague

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:35 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
I'm clearly alone in still backing Honey in. I think he's just down on confidence and remember he's hardly played many senior games. That doesn't mean he should retain his spot in the side right now because his form is down. But I see a talented footballer who's not being developed terribly well right now. Just in the sense he's down on confidence and being asked to play seniors.


Your not alone Paddy . I always could see the blokes potential . Not sure why he is copping the criticism after the Saints game coz he played better than Motlop and Durdin not that that is an indicator coz that pair where putrid . It is the small/medium forward set up that is killing us at the moment .


We put all our money into drafting Martin to fill our HF position. He's seasoned, can run all day, mark and kick goals....when he's fit. Cuningham was earmarked as the other HF and he was one of our draft picks we were developing.

We hear posters beg our coaches to develop our own, and give the kids a go, and when they are given an opportunity to build on their role, such as Honey has been, (and Kemp, Philp when played, Carroll) the same posters will say he's useless and doesn't deserve it and not ready, or a branded another failed draftee. Its quite sad. Yet those who know better about the player and our needs and our development plan, and our contingencies are selecting him. There's a message in that alone.

Have a look at the first 5 minutes of the game up to SOS first goal. Have a look at the 2nd goal of the quarter. Honey played a role in those goals. Cleared the path for SOS. His hard hits and physical game is what we want to see more of but its obvious he's playing a role to be an option on the outside.

In the last quarter Curnow kicks the ball long into the waiting arms of a lone Saint. The game was still in the balance. Honey had sprinted his guts out into the HF on his own about 35m from goal. He was completely ignored like Durdin was in round 23 last year in the last. No way Curnow could miss him coming onto his right foot. Glad the commentators mentioned it because no one seems to have mentioned it on footy forums. He's only 21yo.

We have been forced to play the kids before they are ready. Durdin Motlop have become faves for some but you don't hear boo when they play 80% game time and do very little. They all show signs, but not an AFL game...yet.

Kids need development and because of injury we need to play the kids. Honey is played to develop his HF craft because he has strength and is strong (have a look at last week's training photos), he's a unique specimen. He's super quick. Can take a mark and kick straight from 50. Any wonder why he has been getting games when he's fit? The cupboard is bare and we need to develop our own. What's our alternative? Trade in another HF which will take up plenty of cap space if we want a good one. That's where we are at. We need to develop our own. Its hit or miss if we are to see success, but we have to keep developing our own.

Kemp is another potential HF but he is being developed for a HB role. Dow isnt a HF. Fogarty wont be on the list next year. Carroll is a mid, but potentially a one sided HF. Honey seems to be the heir apparent. Lets hope we do a good job developing him and Motlop and Durdin. We are missing Owies and Martin more than some think.


Ah , Chesty Bond is back . Yep , yep , and yep . I think it was Harry that ignored him . Very good Bondi .

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:36 am 
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tommi wrote:
In….

Binns…Carroll…Kemp…Dow…and if
fit…Saad or Boyd…!

out…Ed…Honey…Fish…O’Brien…mayyyybe
rest Cowan…!

something like that for mine…!


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Good!

I had something similar

OUT: Ed, Motlop, Honey, Fish, LOB
IN: Carroll, Dow, Binns, Boyd/Kemp??

Sub FIsh or Kemp or Cowan

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:38 am 
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tommi wrote:
Hmmm….

might save Honey’s arse…yikes…!


kindest regards tommi





we miss Owies…!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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