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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:14 pm 
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Are you going to try to avoid social media then get home to watch the replay kezza?
I have never been able to do that.


Just dim the light on your mobile so no one notices :grin:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:25 pm 
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Are you going to try to avoid social media then get home to watch the replay kezza?

One of my friends who I am going out with is also a long time Carlton member. I am sure we will be keeping an eye on the scores.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:26 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Will this be the week?

We have been 5th I think for 3 or 4 weeks straight now.

We keep going WLWLWL

We need to break the sequence this week or we are on track for a loss to GWS two weeks later

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:51 pm 
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To those who are going to the game just remind Jeremy Cameron (and his Geelong fanbase) that there is and there will only be one "Jezza".
It ain't him.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:15 pm 
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Martin, McGovern & Pittonet could all be available this week. I would bring Martin & McGovern back through the VFL. But I’d be tempted to throw Pittonet straight in, despite TDK having a very good game against WCE and exceeding expectations generally over the past couple of months.

Assuming Pittonet is ready to go (but Owies isn’t):

In - Pittonet, Stocker
Out - Honey, Newnes
Sub - Hayes

Playing Pittonet, TDK, SOJ, Charlie & Harry is obviously a structural change from what we’ve had most of the season but I would be inclined to go with it - unless SOJ is really sore, in which case SOJ comes out and Honey stays. The weather will be another factor considered before deciding to play the extra tall.

I would prefer Stocker as the 7th defender ahead of Newnes - I think we’ll need that extra bit of hardness in defence against the Cats. However, I have a feeling that the MC will stick with Newnes if he’s fit to play.

I’m happy to keep Hayes as sub, but would be equally fine if he came into the 22 and either LOB or Cottrell are made sub.

Stocker is in the same position as Dow - if he hasn’t been picked by now, he’s on the shelf until catastrophic injuries come along.

Agree that Pittonet should be straight back in if fit. If Kennedy can put in another big shift like he did against the WCE mids, then there should be rotations on the table. In that case, I think the structural change can work in our favour… rotate the ruck through the bench and bring Martin in as that high half forward to release Walsh back up into a full-time mid role.

IN: Pittonet, Martin, Owies
OUT: Newnes, O’Brien/Cottrell, Honey



I agree. Pittonet plays and I am assuming Newnes does not get up. I think anecdotally anyway that LOB plays his best games at Marvel probably because the smaller ground enables our slow midfield group to get to the contests where at the larger ground they don't and hence LOB is caught in more 1 on 1 contests. As this game is at the G I would drop LOB and have Walsh run on the wing. His place as HHF can be taken by Martin. I would bring in Owies to replace Motlop who has been good but with the bigger ground, his lack of fitness shows. I would leave Honey in with his speed. At the G it should be an advantage.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:20 pm 
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If Fish is keen to develop his ducking technique then no better place to be on Saturday night than with a ringside seat to watch the most free kicked sorry cheating player in the history of the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:41 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
To those who are going to the game just remind Jeremy Cameron (and his Geelong fanbase) that there is and there will only be one "Jezza".
It ain't him.

Exactly! This drives me nuts!
It's the commentators and other meedya that keep misusing the name "Jezza". F-wits :hitcomputer:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:50 pm 
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To those who are going to the game just remind Jeremy Cameron (and his Geelong fanbase) that there is and there will only be one "Jezza".
It ain't him.



And to Luke Darcy who has an indefatigable hatred of Carlton continues to refer to Cameron as Jezza just to annoy us.


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If Fish is keen to develop his ducking technique then no better place to be on Saturday night than with a ringside seat to watch the most free kicked sorry cheating player in the history of the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:08 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Martin, McGovern & Pittonet could all be available this week. I would bring Martin & McGovern back through the VFL. But I’d be tempted to throw Pittonet straight in, despite TDK having a very good game against WCE and exceeding expectations generally over the past couple of months.

Assuming Pittonet is ready to go (but Owies isn’t):

In - Pittonet, Stocker
Out - Honey, Newnes
Sub - Hayes

Playing Pittonet, TDK, SOJ, Charlie & Harry is obviously a structural change from what we’ve had most of the season but I would be inclined to go with it - unless SOJ is really sore, in which case SOJ comes out and Honey stays. The weather will be another factor considered before deciding to play the extra tall.

I would prefer Stocker as the 7th defender ahead of Newnes - I think we’ll need that extra bit of hardness in defence against the Cats. However, I have a feeling that the MC will stick with Newnes if he’s fit to play.

I’m happy to keep Hayes as sub, but would be equally fine if he came into the 22 and either LOB or Cottrell are made sub.

Stocker is in the same position as Dow - if he hasn’t been picked by now, he’s on the shelf until catastrophic injuries come along.

Agree that Pittonet should be straight back in if fit. If Kennedy can put in another big shift like he did against the WCE mids, then there should be rotations on the table. In that case, I think the structural change can work in our favour… rotate the ruck through the bench and bring Martin in as that high half forward to release Walsh back up into a full-time mid role.

IN: Pittonet, Martin, Owies
OUT: Newnes, O’Brien/Cottrell, Honey



I agree. Pittonet plays and I am assuming Newnes does not get up. I think anecdotally anyway that LOB plays his best games at Marvel probably because the smaller ground enables our slow midfield group to get to the contests where at the larger ground they don't and hence LOB is caught in more 1 on 1 contests. As this game is at the G I would drop LOB and have Walsh run on the wing. His place as HHF can be taken by Martin. I would bring in Owies to replace Motlop who has been good but with the bigger ground, his lack of fitness shows. I would leave Honey in with his speed. At the G it should be an advantage.


I fail to see why we're continually compromising other positions to fix the wing deficiencies. Walsh is playing AA footy as a half forward/mid. Why should we remove a strength in an attempt to fix an deficiency? We tried it with Cerra 2 weeks ago and that proved to be a disaster.
Hayes was recruited as a winger. He's been the best performed wing in the VFL previously (VFL team of the year at the Dogs) and he's played great footy there in our VFL side.
Let's give him a go and see how he performs. If it doesn't work, then we can consider how we butcher other lines to fix the problem.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:44 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
We usually play 7 defenders: Weitering, Young, Docherty, Saad, Newman... and then two others.
We've used McGovern, Plowman, Kemp, Durdin, Marchbank, Williams, Boyd, Stocker and Newnes.
We typically play a medium-sized defender and a small, running defender as the extra two - but it depends on availability.

Assuming Newnes is injured this week, the fully fit defenders we have for the two remaining spots are Kemp, Plowman, Durdin & Stocker.

Plowman, for all his faults, has been pretty solid this year and has incumbency on his side.
Stocker is in okay form in the VFL, but seems to have fallen out of favour somewhat. He isn't currently a running defender - he's more of a lock-down small.
Durdin has almost zero exposed form, but seems... fine?
Kemp has been pretty good, and seems to play better at AFL level than VFL level.

I'd actually like to see us play Durdin and Stocker this week, in place of Newnes and Plowman.
Stocker to take Stengle, and just smash him all day. (Saad as the next choice.)
Durdin to Hawkins.
Young to Cameron.
Weitering to play the third tall - filling the holes and floating over the top.
That way, if one of Hawkins or Cameron get off the chain, you can always swing Weitering onto them.


Solid no to Weitering, Young, and Durdin in the same backline. Way too top heavy. Young and Weitering have the key defensive posts locked down. McGovern or Marchbank as a third tall / interceptor is the ideal lineup. Happy for Kemp to have a go at this role if Gov needs a week in the 2s


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Agree with this.
In time, Marchbank may turn out to be the wingman we are looking for but for now his role is the 3rd tall. McG also v good in that role and would lift our capability significantly (#StevenMay #JeremyMcG)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:34 am 
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Umps are on to the ducking frees. Fish will start missing these soon. But in the meantime may as well keep getting them. No such thing as a free lunch.


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we’re not here to paint spiders…!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:40 am 
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RickJ wrote:
If Fish is keen to develop his ducking technique then no better place to be on Saturday night than with a ringside seat to watch the most free kicked sorry cheating player in the history of the game.


I understand the sentiment Rick but the actions of Selwood are significantly less offensive IMHO.
Selwood shrugs to break/evade the tackle. If he doesn't receive the free kick, he plays on. Players like Ginnivan and even Waterman (who doesn't shrug but instead falls into the tackler) go to ground and stare at the umpire demanding a free kick. That is their total intent. They're not attempting to shrug or evade the tackle.
I think it's bordering on cheating and I'm hoping Voss tells Fisher to scrap it.

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Kind to Selwood... Same goal different approach I reckon

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:27 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Martin, McGovern & Pittonet could all be available this week. I would bring Martin & McGovern back through the VFL. But I’d be tempted to throw Pittonet straight in, despite TDK having a very good game against WCE and exceeding expectations generally over the past couple of months.

Assuming Pittonet is ready to go (but Owies isn’t):

In - Pittonet, Stocker
Out - Honey, Newnes
Sub - Hayes

Playing Pittonet, TDK, SOJ, Charlie & Harry is obviously a structural change from what we’ve had most of the season but I would be inclined to go with it - unless SOJ is really sore, in which case SOJ comes out and Honey stays. The weather will be another factor considered before deciding to play the extra tall.

I would prefer Stocker as the 7th defender ahead of Newnes - I think we’ll need that extra bit of hardness in defence against the Cats. However, I have a feeling that the MC will stick with Newnes if he’s fit to play.

I’m happy to keep Hayes as sub, but would be equally fine if he came into the 22 and either LOB or Cottrell are made sub.

Stocker is in the same position as Dow - if he hasn’t been picked by now, he’s on the shelf until catastrophic injuries come along.

Agree that Pittonet should be straight back in if fit. If Kennedy can put in another big shift like he did against the WCE mids, then there should be rotations on the table. In that case, I think the structural change can work in our favour… rotate the ruck through the bench and bring Martin in as that high half forward to release Walsh back up into a full-time mid role.

IN: Pittonet, Martin, Owies
OUT: Newnes, O’Brien/Cottrell, Honey



I agree. Pittonet plays and I am assuming Newnes does not get up. I think anecdotally anyway that LOB plays his best games at Marvel probably because the smaller ground enables our slow midfield group to get to the contests where at the larger ground they don't and hence LOB is caught in more 1 on 1 contests. As this game is at the G I would drop LOB and have Walsh run on the wing. His place as HHF can be taken by Martin. I would bring in Owies to replace Motlop who has been good but with the bigger ground, his lack of fitness shows. I would leave Honey in with his speed. At the G it should be an advantage.


I fail to see why we're continually compromising other positions to fix the wing deficiencies. Walsh is playing AA footy as a half forward/mid. Why should we remove a strength in an attempt to fix an deficiency? We tried it with Cerra 2 weeks ago and that proved to be a disaster.
Hayes was recruited as a winger. He's been the best performed wing in the VFL previously (VFL team of the year at the Dogs) and he's played great footy there in our VFL side.
Let's give him a go and see how he performs. If it doesn't work, then we can consider how we butcher other lines to fix the problem.



I suppose I don't see using Martin as a HHF as butchering the HF line. He played that role before he got injured. I've always preferred Walsh on a wing. As a HHF/mid he drags his opponent to our half backline. Against St Kilda and Collingwood they let him run freely deep in our defence so they had an extra man across the HB line; one of the reasons we couldn't get the ball out. Agree he is AA but he will be AA wherever he plays so that point I think is mute. I agree Cerra is not a winger and also Hayes should play there. I would just have the wing rotation as Hayes, Cottrell and Walsh.


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Only change for me would be Owies for Honey and Hayes for Newnes, if injured.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:43 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Crusader wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Martin, McGovern & Pittonet could all be available this week. I would bring Martin & McGovern back through the VFL. But I’d be tempted to throw Pittonet straight in, despite TDK having a very good game against WCE and exceeding expectations generally over the past couple of months.

Assuming Pittonet is ready to go (but Owies isn’t):

In - Pittonet, Stocker
Out - Honey, Newnes
Sub - Hayes

Playing Pittonet, TDK, SOJ, Charlie & Harry is obviously a structural change from what we’ve had most of the season but I would be inclined to go with it - unless SOJ is really sore, in which case SOJ comes out and Honey stays. The weather will be another factor considered before deciding to play the extra tall.

I would prefer Stocker as the 7th defender ahead of Newnes - I think we’ll need that extra bit of hardness in defence against the Cats. However, I have a feeling that the MC will stick with Newnes if he’s fit to play.

I’m happy to keep Hayes as sub, but would be equally fine if he came into the 22 and either LOB or Cottrell are made sub.

Stocker is in the same position as Dow - if he hasn’t been picked by now, he’s on the shelf until catastrophic injuries come along.

Agree that Pittonet should be straight back in if fit. If Kennedy can put in another big shift like he did against the WCE mids, then there should be rotations on the table. In that case, I think the structural change can work in our favour… rotate the ruck through the bench and bring Martin in as that high half forward to release Walsh back up into a full-time mid role.

IN: Pittonet, Martin, Owies
OUT: Newnes, O’Brien/Cottrell, Honey



I agree. Pittonet plays and I am assuming Newnes does not get up. I think anecdotally anyway that LOB plays his best games at Marvel probably because the smaller ground enables our slow midfield group to get to the contests where at the larger ground they don't and hence LOB is caught in more 1 on 1 contests. As this game is at the G I would drop LOB and have Walsh run on the wing. His place as HHF can be taken by Martin. I would bring in Owies to replace Motlop who has been good but with the bigger ground, his lack of fitness shows. I would leave Honey in with his speed. At the G it should be an advantage.


I fail to see why we're continually compromising other positions to fix the wing deficiencies. Walsh is playing AA footy as a half forward/mid. Why should we remove a strength in an attempt to fix an deficiency? We tried it with Cerra 2 weeks ago and that proved to be a disaster.
Hayes was recruited as a winger. He's been the best performed wing in the VFL previously (VFL team of the year at the Dogs) and he's played great footy there in our VFL side.
Let's give him a go and see how he performs. If it doesn't work, then we can consider how we butcher other lines to fix the problem.



I suppose I don't see using Martin as a HHF as butchering the HF line. He played that role before he got injured. I've always preferred Walsh on a wing. As a HHF/mid he drags his opponent to our half backline. Against St Kilda and Collingwood they let him run freely deep in our defence so they had an extra man across the HB line; one of the reasons we couldn't get the ball out. Agree he is AA but he will be AA wherever he plays so that point I think is mute. I agree Cerra is not a winger and also Hayes should play there. I would just have the wing rotation as Hayes, Cottrell and Walsh.


Sorry can you speak up? I couldn't hear the mute point.

Jokes aside I agree with everything you've said

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:00 pm 
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I struggle to get Hayes in my best 32, let alone 22.

I suppose, if they keep falling over in front of him, he’s got some hope.

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The weather forecast is absolutely shocking, cold wet and windy.

Will we adapt to the conditions this time and learn from the Richmond game?


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