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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:51 pm 
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I don't have an issue with Murphy and Simpson chairing Gibbs off. They're good mates and went through a lot together, fair enough.

The issue for me is the smiles on their faces as they do it, as though what just transpired was just forgotten.

Murphy, Simpson, Betts and Barker are the final reminders of the 'near enough is good enough' era, which is a poison that needs to be extracted from the club.


Yep. Murphy, Simpson, Betts, thanks for you service. We need to develop the kids, the next generation need to take charge (if they can).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:53 pm 
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cortez wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I don't have an issue with Murphy and Simpson chairing Gibbs off. They're good mates and went through a lot together, fair enough.

The issue for me is the smiles on their faces as they do it, as though what just transpired was just forgotten.

Murphy, Simpson, Betts and Barker are the final reminders of the 'near enough is good enough' era, which is a poison that needs to be extracted from the club.


Yep. Murphy, Simpson, Betts, thanks for you service. We need to develop the kids, the next generation need to take charge (if they can).

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:53 pm 
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Bottom Adelaide just did what Carlton couldn't all year - 3 in a row.
That's all it would've taken.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:53 pm 
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Who else thinks if Teague picks McGovern (again), then Gov should not be allowed to wear a Carlton jumper.

McGovern = Cain Ackland just 4 times the cost

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:55 pm 
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Cons:

Yet another wasted opportunity. Turned up as though they expected it to be an 'exhibition' game. Midfield absolutely smashed in the first half.
I hate how Teague keeps setting up our defence to get scored against easily. Most teams look to keep defenders behind the ball, and create space forward. We seem to do the opposite. I think it's partly that our lack of pace gets often gets exposed early on dry decks. But the coach has to make it harder for the opposition to score when they're on top.
Forward entries in the first half were diabolical.
Casboult is good when upfield, but his forward work has been useless for about 6 weeks. Keeps finding ways to butcher easy, early opportunities.
Murphy repeatedly playing for frees.

Pros:

At least we tried after halftime.
Harry, Simmo and Weiters.
Setterfield's first half, when no other midfielder wanted to compete.
Jones first half.
Gibbo's second half. Looked like he was moved further up the field.
Cuningham and McGovern's last quarter. Although McGovern's ball use was poor.
De Koning was encouraging.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:56 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
WOW wrote:
The most important things I wanted to see this year was a marked improvement in our second tier running/midfield players such as Dow, O’Brien, Cunningham, Fisher, SPS & Setterfield.

Apart from Setterfield, it just has not eventuated.

Our rebuild will be a failure if they don’t start improving quickly.

If you are going to hang your hat on rebuilding through early and more picks through the draft, then we have failed if these players don’t develop to the standard expected to win premierships.


The MC picked three ins that are ground level players. LOB is an endurance freak with a great left leg. It was obvious to me from the selection that we were going to run the ball through the middle.
Did they use LOB's strengths?
No.
Did they play Gibbo in the mid field where he has played his best footy for us?
No.
Did Eddie have space to move around in in the F50?
No.

So why flowering pick them?

LOB will be dropped because he didn't rack up possessions in a chippy chippy down the line for almost three quarters that doesn't suit his skillset. He had a few possies late and when he took that one hander I said to my wife's uncle,
"This boy is a beautiful kick. This will be a goal."
SPS was back to his 14 metre passes sideways this week except for a few times he tried to penetrate and it came off but he will probably be remembered for getting caught HTB in the last five minutes when he was trying to break the lines.
Willo has such a beautiful left foot but how many times did he use it to create aopportunities through the centre. Even on the TV I could see they are not allowed to do it. Two players alone in the centre of the ground and he just followed the team plan of chippy chippy or long down the boundary.

Where is the team that ran Geelong off its feet?
Where is the team that ran the Dogs ragged?

The expectation of most of us was that a 10-12 finish would be a good result for the year but they showed us in those early games that they had the capacity to beat the good teams and actually make a statement and finish inside the eight. I think that's why we are all so pissed off now is that we know they are good enough, all they have to do is turn up and play four quarters of attacking footy. But they have gone back to the BB/MM game plan that is twenty years out of date. It's OK to do it when you are trying to control the tempo of the game for a few minutes but it should be plan B to stop a five goal run by the other team and not the only way you attack the goals.

I agree with the reference to reverting back to the BB and MM game plan.

We started the season wanting to be fast and daring offensively. Our first 3 quarters against Geelong and our 4 quarter performance against the Dogs really showed this. We made a concerted effort to move the ball quickly and through the corridor. It gave our forwards a chance to score and they delivered.

As the season has progressed, we’ve lost our dare and ability to use the corridor. We’ve been long and slow down the line. By the time the ball gets forward, there’s 20-30 players flooded back into our forward 50. No one kicks goals with this much congestion around. Then we defend too high up the ground so the other team has all the space to run into if they break through our initial line of defence.

I suspect we haven’t been helped by short breaks where players are tired and there’s not much time to train properly, but every other club is in the same position so this isn’t an excuse.

Teague needs to get back to this style of offensive game next year. Train it over pre-season and please bring in some speed and skill into the midfield. Cunners is far from perfect but at least he’s got some break away speed and skill. Get Williams from GWS to play as a speedy midfielder. Get Walshy on the ball full time. Stop playing 3 inside contested midfielders week after week who can’t move the ball quickly


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:56 pm 
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Good thing about this year is that finals in 2021 is a non negotiable. Gotta love that - there's a crap load to work on and 12 wins next season is achievable on the proviso our key players have a full pre season.

Backroom staff need to give this squad quality reinforcements


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:57 pm 
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I wonder:

I wonder if this team is not Teague's team?

I wonder if Teague's team will have Cripps and Setters and Walsh; the rest he will cast off, not his type - whatever that means.
I wonder if the Gov will be set free, to wander some distant desert land talking a crock of shit while sipping tea - 'oh Lawrence, remember the good old days when the Arabs and we went dancing with the camels?'
I wonder if Fish is doomed to never dance in the center again, a bridesman never a groom? Or worse he too, to make room for a new crop of 'whomevers' that Teague claims as his own.

I wonder if this club is paid by the anguish is brings is a reverse bizarre world to the one that once brought joy, fishing up wins like a plethora of John the Baptist head's bleeding on the platter of our third quarters?And in my ears still rings the pounding of the signage, ah the glory of the yesteryears - who remembers? Who recalls with me the days of gold and plunder?

I wonder what side we might be when we scored every scored rather than one of our two or three?
I wonder if Weitering is sad and sore knowing his body carries the weight of a backline - will he, like Cripps, find Atlas was a god and so a mantle no man can maintain?
I wonder if Harry secretly loves Gov cos he shines all the brighter in that sow's ear of empty illusions - and if so beware, beware the Jabberwocky Curnow the younger, beware the jibbedy-jab that sends your talent trickling into this century's long line of Carlton could-have-beens - perhaps have a chat with Gibbs if you're around Curnow lad, talk to him about missed opportunities. Beware the tale that tells the story of Harry as the one who stood tallest while you fell into the endless cycle of disrepair.

I wonder if Kemp feels a strain on the knee already as expectations grow that he is the next in the hunched-shoulders and weary eyes of so many dismayed saviors?
I wonder if Essendon* and Carlton are in a heroic struggle to the bottom of the pit? It is too close to call that tussle between the pride and folly of two clubs so lost in the shadows, like moons fallen to the silent lands beneath.
I wonder if I will ever believe again?

Am I then damaged, fallen, lost, trussed up in the twine of too many gloriously explored avenues to losing?
Carlton my Carlton, I remember and that memory makes the present so much harder to bear.



I wonder what we'll be like next year?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:00 pm 
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From today I would be saying see you later to
McGovern gives us nothing Kennedy to play he’s roll
Simmo being a great warrior time for youth
Casboult keep him for backup only If TDK and Pitto are injured
Eddie has no impact anymore Fisher to take over


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:02 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I wonder:

I wonder if this team is not Teague's team?

I wonder if Teague's team will have Cripps and Setters and Walsh; the rest he will cast off, not his type - whatever that means.
I wonder if the Gov will be set free, to wander some distant desert land talking a crock of shit while sipping tea - 'oh Lawrence, remember the good old days when the Arabs and we went dancing with the camels?'
I wonder if Fish is doomed to never dance in the center again, a bridesman never a groom? Or worse he too, to make room for a new crop of 'whomevers' that Teague claims as his own.

I wonder if this club is paid by the anguish is brings is a reverse bizarre world to the one that once brought joy, fishing up wins like a plethora of John the Baptist head's bleeding on the platter of our third quarters?And in my ears still rings the pounding of the signage, ah the glory of the yesteryears - who remembers? Who recalls with me the days of gold and plunder?

I wonder what side we might be when we scored every scored rather than one of our two or three?
I wonder if Weitering is sad and sore knowing his body carries the weight of a backline - will he, like Cripps, find Atlas was a god and so a mantle no man can maintain?
I wonder if Harry secretly loves Gov cos he shines all the brighter in that sow's ear of empty illusions - and if so beware, beware the Jabberwocky Curnow the younger, beware the jibbedy-jab that sends your talent trickling into this century's long line of Carlton could-have-beens - perhaps have a chat with Gibbs if you're around Curnow lad, talk to him about missed opportunities. Beware the tale that tells the story of Harry as the one who stood tallest while you fell into the endless cycle of disrepair.

I wonder if Kemp feels a strain on the knee already as expectations grow that he is the next in the hunched-shoulders and weary eyes of so many dismayed saviors?
I wonder if Essendon** and Carlton are in a heroic struggle to the bottom of the pit? It is too close to call that tussle between the pride and folly of two clubs so lost in the shadows, like moons fallen to the silent lands beneath.
I wonder if I will ever believe again?

Am I then damaged, fallen, lost, trussed up in the twine of too many gloriously explored avenues to losing?
Carlton my Carlton, I remember and that memory makes the present so much harder to bear.



I wonder what we'll be like next year?


I'm still wondering about today Danny ....... I wonder if these guys knew how important it was to win today. I wonder if the coach did everything in his power to get these guys up today. I wonder why the hell they played Doc. There's a lot to wonder about.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:03 pm 
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Beijing Blue wrote:
cortez wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I don't have an issue with Murphy and Simpson chairing Gibbs off. They're good mates and went through a lot together, fair enough.

The issue for me is the smiles on their faces as they do it, as though what just transpired was just forgotten.

Murphy, Simpson, Betts and Barker are the final reminders of the 'near enough is good enough' era, which is a poison that needs to be extracted from the club.


Yep. Murphy, Simpson, Betts, thanks for you service. We need to develop the kids, the next generation need to take charge (if they can).

:thumbsup:

I'd like to think that someone like Weitering pulls that next generation together and says "Did you see that horseshit? That ends now. I promise you that in 10 years time you won't see us chairing an opponent off the ground with smiles on our faces after a loss..."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:04 pm 
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david 31 from the Match Dat thread

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Remember when Teague brought an offensive game plan to the club. When he wanted us to be daring and look to score. We used to use the corridor and take the game on. Now we just kick long down the line and lead to the pockets. So predictable and so easy to defend against. Very average to watch


I was saying the same thing to a mate.

In the last 6 games we have avearged 45 points a game.
Prior to that we were the only team in the comp to have scored over 50 points in every game.

Something has drastically changed.
McGovern's inclusion. Yes that's one.
Players aren't listening to the coach?
Or they are playing by playing "our way".
Anyne know which way we've been playing the last 6 weeks?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:05 pm 
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Cripps' set shot at goal just floored me when he missed to the left....again

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:05 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
No excuses for me, Teague has to wear this. 17 games of 27 5 goal swings. It is officially a joke let alone a nightmare for us.


Not quite sure about the stat, but the point's valid. The coach clearly has a problem with his set ups. We're not always going to be on top in midfield. But other teams manage to make it hard for the opposition to score. Our defenders have generally been excellent, I think it's the set ups that are killing us. Whenever we finally get a defender to play behind the ball, we tend to get back on top. It's really not all that hard, Coach. :banghead:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:09 pm 
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jim wrote:
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Come back Gibbsy, we’ve got a minimum 16 vacancies!

Yet again, another (dis)honourable loss.

Yet again, a quarter and a bit of decent footy, the rest insipid, bruise free ball watching

Yet another unanswered 6-7 goal deficit allowed to occur before the team wakes up

Yet again zero tactical changes made by the coaching staff during gameplay

Yet again another match peppered with deplorable butchering of F50 entries

Yet again second to the ball, falling over on the spot, zero second efforts

Yet again no discernible structure, no hunger for the contest and far too many passengers

Does the Teague Train come with a 12 month manufacturer’s warranty? Not convinced by a long shot :mad:


Teague has years of shit to turn around. Was never happening in a season. 13-14 is a massive improvement on the previous 4-40. Just so much horrible shit that has to be turned around. He does need the side to take a step to finals next year though. Been similar to Ratten's first year.



He has had multiple opportunities to make statements and start to change the culture but has failed miserably, too late now. He needs to make a statement with who stays and who goes then keep going. First full year now so he needs to learn fast and and react faster.


We'll know in a couple of years about the culture. If you expected that to be changed in such a short time you are dreaming. Really dreaming. God knows how many years it took Hardwick at Richmond to change those years of horrible culture.

7 wins, doubt it'll be 8, is about 9.25 wins in a normal year. We'd have taken that at the start of the year. The culture and mental aspects has cost us finals this year. I'd leave that in no doubt, and it is really frustrating. 13-14 though is alot better than the previous 4-40. Those other aspects have alot of work ahead though otherwise we'll hit a massive roadblock. Get those right and the physical aspects will be more like the we showed in the Bulldogs game as they'll be great commitment. Years of a losing culture is really turned around in a year though. That's the next test.

7 wins this sounded sounded good at the start but now feels an under-achievement.



You change the culture by demanding the non negotiable in a second, you make a statement that is all inclusive, teague has not done that.


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Harford and the women legit leave the blokes for dead re honesty and hard work.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:14 pm 
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Then we defend too high up the ground so the other team has all the space to run into if they break through our initial line of defence.


:clap: Why, o why, can't Teague see this is a problem? It's no surprise other teams go on scoring sprees against us. Once we lose control of midfield, we're basically screwed, because of how we set up. :garthp:

The players were poor in the 1st half, the coach was worse.


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Have a look at these @#$%&! cauliflower. Everyone smiling. Hugging the other team. Led by @#$%&! Cripps. It means nothing to them. He's everything that's wrong with the club. Blasè attitude. No killer instinct. More interested in being the nice guy. They were more interested in blowing smoke up Gibbs arsehole than winning the @#$%&! game. Absolutely disgusting


Simpson and Murphy chair him off spare me. That is everything that is wrong with this club now and for the last 15 years.
Simpson and Murphy need to be told BUT Mr Nice Guy won't because we are a boys club with a loser mentality with absolutely no ruthlessness anywhere in our club.


We need to get rid of the dead wood and losing culture !! Gibbs , Murphy , simmo , Kruser a part of the worst losing history in our club and Simmo and Murphy need to be cut immediately

We have Kruger retiring and nothing for him , who is still on our list , and our season on the line !!
But no , we are hugging Gibbs before the game and on top of that , the bottom side wins 3 games in a row and we can’t even do that

Simmo and Murphy( he let sholl kick 2 goals on him ) leave with Kruser !!

And don’t get me started on Liam Jones and why Docherty played today !!

I can’t wait for josh Kennedy from eagles to kick 15 on us and then retire and we carry him off also



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:15 pm 
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Oh and was anyone else confused by the ridiculously inconsistent 'holding the ball' adjudicating?

Also the Crows seemed to have completely free reign to throw the ball in the clearances. :hitcomputer:


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Donstuie wrote:
Beijing Blue wrote:
cortez wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I don't have an issue with Murphy and Simpson chairing Gibbs off. They're good mates and went through a lot together, fair enough.

The issue for me is the smiles on their faces as they do it, as though what just transpired was just forgotten.

Murphy, Simpson, Betts and Barker are the final reminders of the 'near enough is good enough' era, which is a poison that needs to be extracted from the club.


Yep. Murphy, Simpson, Betts, thanks for you service. We need to develop the kids, the next generation need to take charge (if they can).

:thumbsup:

I'd like to think that someone like Weitering pulls that next generation together and says "Did you see that horseshit? That ends now. I promise you that in 10 years time you won't see us chairing an opponent off the ground with smiles on our faces after a loss..."


Yeah nah. Simpson is exactly what the needed modern footballer is in 2020. A warrior on the ground never giving up but a human being not a robot once the siren sounds.


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