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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:41 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
This is all talk stop talking start delivering

Get professional in all aspects we are seek of amateur hour at our club it's getting past a really sick joke



It would appear that Bolton is trying his best to work 'professionally' (except when playing players who are clearly out of form, simply so they reach a milestone).



And remember, talk is cheap.


What I'm surprised with, is how many AFL supporters think that it has been a good year for Carlton.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:50 pm 
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What has baffled me for years, and it was apparent again today.

Why in the @#$%&! are we never ON when we're playing this mob? Why do they always expect to waltz in and leave with the 4 points with little effort? Have they @#$%&! learned ANYTHING from the past few years???

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:22 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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The bookies set Carlton's win line this year at 4.5 wins.


So we just excuse the multiple insipid performances in the back half of the year?

We can't hold them accountable to the publicly stated standards?


You can think what you want. What were your own expectations at the start of the year?

Are you going to cherry pick parts of the season?


These are not mutually exclusive. We can be pleased with the win/loss outcome for the seeason but still be displeased with the effort and pressure the Blues produced against Brisbane and Essendon*.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:24 pm 
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Talrahir wrote:
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The bookies set Carlton's win line this year at 4.5 wins.


So we just excuse the multiple insipid performances in the back half of the year?

We can't hold them accountable to the publicly stated standards?


You can think what you want. What were your own expectations at the start of the year?

Are you going to cherry pick parts of the season?


These are not mutually exclusive. We can be pleased with the win/loss outcome for the seeason but still be displeased with the effort and pressure the Blues produced against Brisbane and Essendon**.


We can also be displeased with both.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:27 pm 
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Maybe a few players know they are being shopped around and their mental states are not right for high performance football.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:41 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:

However... it was still 61 I50's us v 45 to them. Having Charlie, McKay, SOJ up front next year will help no end, plus hopefully some mids in draft and trades.


Our inside fifties set up goals for them. It has been a feature in a few of our losses this year. I am sure the oppo coach knows what he is doing and is more concerned by the type of inside 50 and not the number itself.

Our system seems to be picked apart reasonably easy by teams doing the hunting.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:42 pm 
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Carlton FC ‏@CarltonFC 13s14 seconds ago

Bolton: I'd understand we'd have some pretty disappointed members and supporters right now. #AFLDonsBlues
Bolton: Today's loss stings and will motivate us throughout pre-season. #AFLDonsBlues
Bolton: Essendon****** came with a sharp offence. We didn't come with an appetite to defend. #AFLDonsBlues
Bolton: We're proud that our club is united. Everyone is on the same page. That's the main thing we can take from the season. #BoundByBlue
Bolton: We need to build depth. We'll go to the draft and we're open-minded to trading. #BoundByBlue
Bolton: Our recruiting will be broad. We need to build depth in all positions. #BoundByBlue


Poor prick has a huge task ahead of him.



How is he any different from the other coaches we've had the last 20 years, yet this guy is the "poor prick" (this isn't aimed at you in particular Brad).



He's a poor prick because I love everything about what he's done this year. We're miles ahead of where we were 12 months ago, yet we turn out the shit we did today because we're that bad. He made us look decent for 6 weeks, and someone may well ask why was it not him that made us look terrible for 20 weeks.

He has a long way way ahead, I hope SOS can give him some talent, I hope our list management committee has the courage to get rid of terrible kicks like Kerridge, cuts honest battlers with terrible decision making like Buckley and accepts we'll not be able to kick a winning score next year, but pinning our hopes on Levi Casbault is a waste.

The worst is yet to come. Let's accept it, move on, be prepared for awful the next two years, but prepare for 8-10 years when maybe we can be a good team.


Yes, let's hope so.


I think 8-10 years is catastrophizing. We brought in 5 new draft picks last year in Weiters, McKay, Curnow, Richie, and SoJ. Plus the extras we traded for. For arguments sake, we could say Wright and Ploughman have been successful. That's 7 new additions to the list. I would suggest Sumner has something too but we'll stick with 7. So based on last trade/draft period, if were to do similar this year, and the end of next season, we will have 21 new players....if we believed that the whole list had to go, that is. If we consider that we'll be keeping players like Docherty, Murphy, Cripps etc, then the whole list will be completely replaced by the end of 2017. While I don't expect we'll be playing for a premiership in 2018, its a stretch to suggest that we won't be good until 2024-2026 when players like Weitering and Cripps will be past their prime anyway.

I expect that this is what they were looking at when they projected 3 years for the reset. If this was year 1, we'd be playing 2019 with a completely rebuilt list that probably has a serious Free Agent from the 2018 trade period. I know next year will be frustrating at times, but it's going to be like the first proper year I'll get to see C.Curnow and McKay, and I'm really excited about that. Two forward targets....and a pre-season and some kilo's into SoJ....Enough to get me renewing my membership right now. That's before I even see what we pickup in the draft/trade period this year.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:02 pm 
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The vision in the rooms (see Docherty post game interview) left me disenchanted.

Few of the players seemed to be having a jolly old time. Didn't look like there was much hurt.

We hate the Hodge/Lewis sniper types.....but they are exactly what we need. Footballers who give a shit and hate losing.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:21 pm 
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On the bright side, at least we go out embarrassed with our tail between our legs.. there can be no complacency or delusions.

At least I hope the players are embarrassed.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:28 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
The vision in the rooms (see Docherty post game interview) left me disenchanted.

Few of the players seemed to be having a jolly old time. Didn't look like there was much hurt.

We hate the Hodge/Lewis sniper types.....but they are exactly what we need. Footballers who give a shit and hate losing.

Yeah, I got a definite "Time for a holiday" vibe from that. Something tells me the players will forget about this very quickly and not learn a @#$%&! thing from the experience.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:06 am 
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Please tell me Thomas retires on 200. Surely he's own pride tells him it's over.
Running out each week on 700k and producing that must be shameful.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:40 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
The vision in the rooms (see Docherty post game interview) left me disenchanted.

Few of the players seemed to be having a jolly old time. Didn't look like there was much hurt.

We hate the Hodge/Lewis sniper types.....but they are exactly what we need. Footballers who give a shit and hate losing.

Yeah, I got a definite "Time for a holiday" vibe from that. Something tells me the players will forget about this very quickly and not learn a @#$%&! thing from the experience.

I had the feeling from the steely post match interview opening statement by Bolton that this will not be forgotten by anybody.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:14 am 
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bluemagic16 wrote:
L.Jones and D.Thomas i hope they never play for the club again.

Both have a year to run on their contracts FFS!!!



Why the hell were they in the team anyway?

When was the last time Thomas played a good game? Round 5?

At least Everitt has the odd good game in between all the average ones.

The coaching staff should shoulder some of the blame for choosing Thomas over and over again.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:23 am 
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Perhaps they are contractually obliged to play him in order for him to get his astronomical salary.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:56 am 
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Perhaps they are contractually obliged to play him in order for him to get his astronomical salary.



Guess we'll have to wait for the book.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 8:05 am 
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
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Rohan Conolly and assorted junkies all over social media celebrating the possibility they'll avoid the spoon.

Carlton fans: haha you're gunna miss out on pick 1


I hate what we've become... has there ever been a more sad time to be a Carlton supporter?



a bloody good chance the scum wont be getting their first spoon in 70 odd years.. and Carlton let it happen. a pretty low ebb.



It is the lowest ebb since the last low ebb.
The AFL will ensure Essendon* is competitive next year (Who knows what contractual arrangements are being done behind closed doors under the threat of legal action from players) so their "salary cap" is it clear what is happening?

I doubt Essendon* will be near the bottom of the ladder next year. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity to give some real pain to Essendon* (Even more than the 1999 preliminary final) and instead Carlton once again doesn't know how to win a game when they are "favourites".
Inexperience is a viable excuse for a young team, but when you select Thomas and other duds one should expect a humiliating loss.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:29 am 
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Our structures where all wrong. How many times did we win the ball and have no one to kick too? How many games have we won with this setup? BB knew what he was doing...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:17 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
The vision in the rooms (see Docherty post game interview) left me disenchanted.

Few of the players seemed to be having a jolly old time. Didn't look like there was much hurt.

We hate the Hodge/Lewis sniper types.....but they are exactly what we need. Footballers who give a shit and hate losing.

Yeah, I got a definite "Time for a holiday" vibe from that. Something tells me the players will forget about this very quickly and not learn a @#$%&! thing from the experience.

I had the feeling from the steely post match interview opening statement by Bolton that this will not be forgotten by anybody.

What is going through the minds of the coaches and players could be two completely different things.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:46 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
What has baffled me for years, and it was apparent again today.

Why in the @#$%&! are we never ON when we're playing this mob? Why do they always expect to waltz in and leave with the 4 points with little effort? Have they @#$%&! learned ANYTHING from the past few years???


Yep since the our great comeback win inspired by Fev in 2007 I can only think of 2 matches against this mob where we have been ON. One was the final in 2011 and the other was the 2nd time we played them in 2012.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:58 am 
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I'm not sure this "not being ON" problem is limited to Essendon*. Last year it was every game except Barker's first couple. This year it was Essendon* x2, St Kilda x2, Brisbane, and maybe one or two others. I guess this is called a step forward.


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