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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:39 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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There aren't enough picks in the draft to fix our list.



I actually don't think our list is THAT Bad. Sure, we have some average players, but how are you expected to kick goals and win matches with the negative style of football we play.


Sure, the players need to take some of the responsibility - but Malthouse needs to cop most of it! And rightly so too.


Face it, we have one of the worst lists in the competition and probably 'the worst' going forward. Any 'woulda', 'coulda' or 'shoulda' statements are moot.





Hinkley had the young players to move forward? MM didnt in 2012. He is being reemed for it


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:39 pm 
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The simple out for the simple minded is to blame malthouse.
Waite wanted to go. Garlett was a headcase
He got gibbs to play the best football of his career and I would argue the same of walker two years ago.
Betts -thomas was a mistake but we are crying out for 2 way run
Dont tell me a coach that is challenging for a premiership in 2011 and appointed 2013 is past it
Forward line coaching is apalling and mm should go small with walker and menzel but he has no forward cattle
15 years of poor recruiting, coaching, leadership has its day of reckoning


If he doesn't look like he's past it then we'll take you to OPSM.



Funny ... I was going to say Blind. Then I thought ... its not really worth answering.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:39 pm 
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Malthouse has ripped the guts out of the forward line and not addressed any obvious deficiencies. What else was going to happen.

Answer is clear. Build a young side around a young coach and make sure we have the best recruiting team across the country. Trade out all players over 25 worth a top 30 pick or two and load up with top 30 picks over next 3 years. Make or break all players 22-25yo and ruthlessly discard. Then after 3 years, look to trade or go to free agency.

Unfortunately, we won't do that. We are carlton, we don't do things like that. So someone with balls needs to take on the factions on the board. Again that won't happen.

We need to make sure we get some value out of picks 30-60. Don't trade them away- search the land to find a gem or two over the next few years.

A cultural change should start by being a big bodied tough midfield, build it around Cripps and Bell. bell is raw and has limited skills, but that hasn't stopped some of the Hawk mids over the journey. start with that model and build around it


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:41 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The simple out for the simple minded is to blame malthouse.


You're right, anyone attributing blame to a coach who has taken a top half side to the bottom of the pile in three years is definitely not getting it. Thank god you're here to show us how eing the worst team in the league, 20 yeras on from the last premiership, is good for the club


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:41 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
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There aren't enough picks in the draft to fix our list.



I actually don't think our list is THAT Bad. Sure, we have some average players, but how are you expected to kick goals and win matches with the negative style of football we play.


Sure, the players need to take some of the responsibility - but Malthouse needs to cop most of it! And rightly so too.


Face it, we have one of the worst lists in the competition and probably 'the worst' going forward. Any 'woulda', 'coulda' or 'shoulda' statements are moot.



They said the same thing about Port ... until they actually started playing under a decent coach.

We have gone backward at a million miles an hour since the Madhouse took over.



This!!!

And the Bulldogs too. They have more or less the same list as they did last year. Give or take a few.


They might have said it but I didn't hear it and wouldn't have believed it even if I did. As for the Bulldogs, with the likes of Boyd, Stringer, Bontempelli and Macrae coming through, that's just crazy talk.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:41 pm 
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Was the crowd posted at the game? AFL site has it as TBC.


Tad over 20,000 they said.


Now that's more concerning than the loss if you ask me.

It was the worst possible start time for a live crowd; right between lunch and dinner on Mother's Day.

Great for TV viewing, great for local/in-ground business in terms of drawing two meals out of those who come through the turn-styles, awful for crowd numbers.

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Stark contrast between the kicking efficiency of those around the stoppages and those at either end of the ground; the mids aren't running hard enough at the right times and it's hurting our uncontested possession a lot.

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Best thing in this thread.

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Game in the balance at 3 qtr time...
Time for the Captain to stand up and lead the way....
But where was he in the last lol
Not sighted for 20 minutes....
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Malthouse: "This is a great test of the football club, match committee and players."

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If 2002 to 2007 was our "Golden Age of Shitness", we have now entered our "An element not as yet known on the Periodic Table of elements Age of Shitness".

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Can't believe some of us were rubbished in 2012 for saying it was 2002 all over again.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:46 pm 
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Bell was very good. Levi could be a good player, he has the tools, apart from the goalkicking but I'd have him roaming far and wide. Juddy tries but is suffering from being a battering ram without any help every season at Carlton. Jones is the player he was at the Dogs. Stefan Martin got right on top of Wood. Everitt is a shadow of his form last year. Docherty and Cripps are very promising. Give Graham a full game, could he be worse than some of our guys.

Again used three taggers. Jaksch may become a good player but is several years away. Ironically our best player is from Brisbane and the two leading AFL goalkickers are ex Carlton. Walker looks well down as do many of our players, hard to believe the coach is getting them to play to their best ability.

Thomas tried, was willing late and at least has a spark and tries to fire up his team mates, but we we are paying huge money and he has been just average so far - not his fault and gutsy to play so soon after dislocating his shoulder. I would hate to see him risk further injury by coming back too soon. His kicking still has no depth. He had a set shot from 35 and gave it off to Walker - hardly our designated kicker. Lucky the Siants didn't play against us as they have in the last few weeks, or we'd be 0/5. I wouldn't have put monopoly money on the Lions today, away from home in diabolical form. Still we were coming off an 8 day break, and out in a super effort last week, so logical they would run over the top of us.

Clearly there is some sort of disconnect between players/ coach/ admin. A few are playing like they are dead men walking. Armfield lacks skill but at least he tries. The lions, if they had not lost Polec, Yeo,Karnezis and Docherty would have a way better young list than us (probably do anyway).

No pint sacking the coach. What happens then? One of his genius assistants becomes coach. I have always disliked MM and didn't want him at the Blues, but I am happy to wait till years end and have a clean out of the footy dept, but also, hopefully, the board. I do admire Trigg, he has taken a poison chalice and drunk freely from it and at least seems to understand where we are on and off the field. How have we managed to have high draft picks from 2005 to 2010 and in 2015 find ourselves with the most bereft list in the AFL


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So we should get better by 2018, some finals action in 2019 and maybe a few points off a prelim in 2021. Yay.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:47 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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Bell, Cripps and Docherty look like players who can look forward to a good career.
Jaksch I think will get there too. Some say he's laconic or lazy, I think he has the ability to find time and space. Confidence will grow and he'll utilize that time better.
Boekhorst looks smart when he has it, but he's not getting a lot of it. He at least gives us some speed and an ability to run and carry.
Graham needs more of a run. He finds the footy and gets himself in smart positions. He has limitations, but those couple of qualities are worth putting time in to.
Smith lacks speed and polish, but he has a red hot go and appears to have a good footy brain. Turnovers today were lack of execution rather than picking poor options. He has enough ability to be an AFL player.
Whiley is a worry. You'd struggle to find a bloke who's been beaten more convincingly in his first 2 games.
Get Menzel back in and give DVR a run some time this year too.
Not much to be taken from today, but I'll try and find the positives where I can.


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let it go mate. whiley isn't simmo. first this isn't whiley's first two games of AFL like it was kades.

and secondly.

whiley is slow, weak-footed and has no game sense. look at him out there. he only has eyes on the man he's tagging. he basically doesn't know what he's doing out there.

simmo always had a sweet left foot and pace to burn. in afl you can work with that. whiley has no redeemable features for today's afl.


at least jaksch showed a bit today. but as the lord giveth, he also taketh too with liam freaking jones. that guy is the biggest spud i've seen in a long, long time.

who ever signed him up, and i really mean this, who ever bought him to our club, needs to shot in the face with an elephant gun.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:47 pm 
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Malthouse: "This is a great test of the football club, match committee and players."


Why now? What about after last week when we were embarrassed?

It never changes. :mad:

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:48 pm 
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Bell was very good. Levi could be a good player, he has the tools, apart from the goalkicking but I'd have him roaming far and wide. Juddy tries but is suffering from being a battering ram without any help every season at Carlton. Jones is the player he was at the Dogs. Stefan Martin got right on top of Wood. Everitt is a shadow of his form last year. Docherty and Cripps are very promising. Give Graham a full game, could he be worse than some of our guys.

Again used three taggers. Jaksch may become a good player but is several years away. Ironically our best player is from Brisbane and the two leading AFL goalkickers are ex Carlton. Walker looks well down as do many of our players, hard to believe the coach is getting them to play to their best ability.

Thomas tried, was willing late and at least has a spark and tries to fire up his team mates, but we we are paying huge money and he has been just average so far - not his fault and gutsy to play so soon after dislocating his shoulder. I would hate to see him risk further injury by coming back too soon. His kicking still has no depth. He had a set shot from 35 and gave it off to Walker - hardly our designated kicker. Lucky the Siants didn't play against us as they have in the last few weeks, or we'd be 0/5. I wouldn't have put monopoly money on the Lions today, away from home in diabolical form. Still we were coming off an 8 day break, and out in a super effort last week, so logical they would run over the top of us.

Clearly there is some sort of disconnect between players/ coach/ admin. A few are playing like they are dead men walking. Armfield lacks skill but at least he tries. The lions, if they had not lost Polec, Yeo,Karnezis and Docherty would have a way better young list than us (probably do anyway).

No pint sacking the coach. What happens then? One of his genius assistants becomes coach. I have always disliked MM and didn't want him at the Blues, but I am happy to wait till years end and have a clean out of the footy dept, but also, hopefully, the board. I do admire Trigg, he has taken a poison chalice and drunk freely from it and at least seems to understand where we are on and off the field. How have we managed to have high draft picks from 2005 to 2010 and in 2015 find ourselves with the most bereft list in the AFL


Dean Laidley always got the best out of North Melbourne sides. I'd be happy for him to take over in the interim.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:48 pm 
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TAC Cup future stars is going to be a must see this year! :banghead:

I agreed with the appointment of Mick at the time, thought we had a soft edge that
he could iron out of us. The appointment hasn't worked on field, if we are going to properly
rebuild then we're going to have to look at going in a different direction.

He inherited a run & carry list & tried to make it Collingwood v 2.0. Whatever the players
are saying they are not buying into it. We currently have a list that
cannot follow Mick's plan & a coach that can't or won't devise a plan
to get the best out of our players.

Unfortunately for Mick he is too old to outlive the list & we're too long
suffering to watch him try to!


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