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jimmae
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Watson's on a contract for 2016 isn't he?

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Effes
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Michael Jezz wrote:
We started this rebuild 2 years ago. We have cleared out 25 players. The rebuild statement needed to come out in 2012, when it was obvious to some on this forum. MM assessed the list and before the end of 2013 told the board we needed a cleanout (rebuild). He isnt responsible for this


No one can say with a straight face that adding Dale Thomas is consistent with a rebuilding philosophy.

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emtwenty
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:39 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Watson's on a contract for 2016 isn't he?

No. Signed for 2 years end of 2013.
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MIL
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:39 pm 
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Blueboy wrote:
The messages coming out of this club are so mixed it may as well be encrypted!

In no particular order
Mick says he can't see where we will lose a game
We go after all sorts of top up players like we are the poor cousins of Hawthorn
Judd goes around for an extra year after retiring as he sees something special building
2 games into the season we announce a rebuild
Mick announces we lack talent
We let talent like Jacobs, Betts, Garlett, Waite move on like being able to kick a goal is a trait we no longer desire.

then this week
Mick publicly states he's not playing youth just for the sake of it, he's still about winning games.
HS writes an article about Mick not playing kids.
Nek minnit we are announcing a rebuild.

FFS pick a direction and follow it you muppets!!!!


I'm sure you can add a heap more.


There's more than a touch of the current Liberal Govt in the CFC :lol:
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Punter22
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:39 pm 
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mikkey wrote:
A clean out of Board members is a must if we want to do this right.


Yes. That's the remaining point of continuity through this 5-10 year mess, as the judge described.

They should do the honourable thing and give someone else a chance to do a better job than them (not hard).
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emtwenty
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:40 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
We started this rebuild 2 years ago. We have cleared out 25 players. The rebuild statement needed to come out in 2012, when it was obvious to some on this forum. MM assessed the list and before the end of 2013 told the board we needed a cleanout (rebuild). He isnt responsible for this


No one can say with a straight face that adding Dale Thomas is consistent with a rebuilding philosophy.

If it didn't cost us the compo pick for Betts, then I would argue that getting Thomas doesnt interfere with a rebuild as all it costs is cap space.
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Punter22
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emtwenty wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Watson's on a contract for 2016 isn't he?

No. Signed for 2 years end of 2013.


Good. That's one more spot open.
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TheSwan
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:42 pm 
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It worries me the board have final say on decisions regarding player movements. That's what ML pointed out in his interview with Robbo. Why do they? Why hire SOS? Do other clubs have to get the OK from the board to make player decisions?

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MIL
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emtwenty wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Em, all of that is a bridge too far IMO. Watson is still a decent chance and will likely stick around to 2016. Holman is going to go, and Giles is probably going to go and maybe get re-rookied if he gets back on the park successfully.

I'd rather tear up Tutt's contract than Armfield's. The rookies are always a wait-and-see situation, but I think Gowers & Fields have the tools to make it; want to see more of Russell before I make a call. Walsh, Wood and Johnson gone; Byrne and Sheehan elevated.

Armfield might last another year if he can score goals and stop a rebounding defender. That helps us on-field and off-field.

So, in terms of definite delistings, that's:

Seniors list
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Out: Carrazzo, Ellard, Warnock, Tutt, Dick, Holman, Giles

In: Sheehan, Byrne


Rookie list
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Out: Wood, Johnson, Walsh

In: Giles

That's 5 ND picks before F/S selections. There'll be more off the list but that's how I'd like it to begin. The performances of Watson, Armfield, Walker, Murphy, Rowe, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Henderson will tell us a lot more about where we can go in the off-season and with the rebuilding plan.



If Waton gets a new contract I'll go ape ****


I'd like to see them actually play the guy up forward for a month. Must a crazy looney idea I know :roll:
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Blue Tongue
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MIL wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Em, all of that is a bridge too far IMO. Watson is still a decent chance and will likely stick around to 2016. Holman is going to go, and Giles is probably going to go and maybe get re-rookied if he gets back on the park successfully.

I'd rather tear up Tutt's contract than Armfield's. The rookies are always a wait-and-see situation, but I think Gowers & Fields have the tools to make it; want to see more of Russell before I make a call. Walsh, Wood and Johnson gone; Byrne and Sheehan elevated.

Armfield might last another year if he can score goals and stop a rebounding defender. That helps us on-field and off-field.

So, in terms of definite delistings, that's:

Seniors list
=====================================
Out: Carrazzo, Ellard, Warnock, Tutt, Dick, Holman, Giles

In: Sheehan, Byrne


Rookie list
=====================================
Out: Wood, Johnson, Walsh

In: Giles

That's 5 ND picks before F/S selections. There'll be more off the list but that's how I'd like it to begin. The performances of Watson, Armfield, Walker, Murphy, Rowe, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Henderson will tell us a lot more about where we can go in the off-season and with the rebuilding plan.



If Waton gets a new contract I'll go ape ****


I'd like to see them actually play the guy up forward for a month. Must a crazy looney idea I know :roll:


Haven't you seen enough of this fellow already? Just go down to the Bullants and you might see him up forward.
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Blue Tongue
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We may as well hand back our licence to the AFL, its all over, no chance in hell of implementing a three year rebuild.
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idle
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Could also be a complete sham to get the current playing group to pull their bloody fingers out!
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Pafloyul
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AGRO wrote:
I'd be happy to trade our first & second round draft picks for Jacksh and docherty type trades.

Because we've been clearly clueless at over the past 10 years.

:roll:


Sarcasm or putting the cart before the horse?

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Synbad
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Mark in all his wisdom.... is he going to tell us where we will be after 66 games?

and trigg

boy who are these blokes fooling???

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Synbad
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:51 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
mikkey wrote:
A clean out of Board members is a must if we want to do this right.


Cannot include the judge. ..hes the one making the changes

rubbish.....
if the others go hes dead... everybody knows that.. even he does

and the board wont get a clean out.. were just going to be told by his own admission theyre crap

fancy the board getting the wipe and not him..... lol

idiotic shills

and

hes as much of the board as everybody else...

making the changes ???

pffffffffffffffffffffft

u mean like the board nominee filtering system??

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Synbad
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anyway... finally they told us theyre morons....

as if we didnt know...

and even thought they just told us theyre morons.... theyre not admitting it

remember .. were apathetic...

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BIRDTOWN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:58 pm 
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I believe that Bear Gleeson is warming up for his review. Look out!
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Goltzenberg
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:04 am 
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This club is @$#@

Malthouse works the media so well. He has a press conference and says he isn't playing the kids and forces the hand of the president to announce a rebuild. This now takes a lot of pressure off Malthouse. He can continue losing with no pressure. Collect his 1million pay cheque, get his record and get us the spoon. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets booed at the record game. So we are announcing a rebuild and playing kids from round 3. Club is a joke and should refund memberships.

Fantasy land now, but imagine we come out, beat bombers, pies and saints. Rebuild put on hold? lol

Either MM has to go or the board. This is mickey mouse management.
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4thchicken
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If its a rebuild then it should be a 3-5 yr window

29+ - keep simpson, - judd/carazzo retire
26-29 - keep white, everitt, gibbs, armfield - trade/dump walker, jamison, thomas, murphy, rowe, warnock, wood, ellard, kreuzer (not all at once but over a couple of years)
18-25 - safe for 1-2 years and assess

Replace the coach with someone young enough to be there for the next 10 years.
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4thchicken
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:14 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
We started this rebuild 2 years ago. We have cleared out 25 players. The rebuild statement needed to come out in 2012, when it was obvious to some on this forum. MM assessed the list and before the end of 2013 told the board we needed a cleanout (rebuild). He isnt responsible for this


No one can say with a straight face that adding Dale Thomas is consistent with a rebuilding philosophy.

If it didn't cost us the compo pick for Betts, then I would argue that getting Thomas doesnt interfere with a rebuild as all it costs is cap space.


The point is that thomas DID cost us the betts compo pick - which, depending on the phase of the moon could have been a first/end of first/second round pick...
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