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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:06 am 
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So, do we trade the number one draft pick or keep it?


Wash your mouth out..!


...keep it, of course.


Hopefully draft a key position forward with a sub 15 pick for the first time in a decade.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:09 am 
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So, do we trade the number one draft pick or keep it?


Wash your mouth out..!


...keep it, of course.


..early picks mean little because we don't capitalise on them.. ....how many do we need..?.. ..our club thinks all you need to do is get the pick.. ..how we use it in yhe off season, how we use the player afterwards.. ..all part of the problem..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:21 am 
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Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:27 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
kezza wrote:
So, do we trade the number one draft pick or keep it?


Wash your mouth out..!


...keep it, of course.


..early picks mean little because we don't capitalise on them.. ....how many do we need..?.. ..our club thinks all you need to do is get the pick.. ..how we use it in yhe off season, how we use the player afterwards.. ..all part of the problem..


As you say yourself, 'two separate issues'. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:37 am 
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Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.

Wiping out the top half of the list would be the worst thing you could do right now. There's work to be done and turnover to be made but we need to convince free agents and incoming trades that this is the place to be.

So far our lack of appeal seems to have cost us more than a few names. Higgins and Jesse White would have been handy tonight, as an example.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:40 am 
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will take years to turn this list around

so many holes.,...

wait tiill judd retires....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:43 am 
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jimmae wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.

Wiping out the top half of the list would be the worst thing you could do right now. There's work to be done and turnover to be made but we need to convince free agents and incoming trades that this is the place to be.

So far our lack of appeal seems to have cost us more than a few names. Higgins and Jesse White would have been handy tonight, as an example.


Which ones would we have had to give up picks for? Chasing players that would get in the way of a complete rebuild is the worst thing we could do right now.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:52 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
jimmae wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.

Wiping out the top half of the list would be the worst thing you could do right now. There's work to be done and turnover to be made but we need to convince free agents and incoming trades that this is the place to be.

So far our lack of appeal seems to have cost us more than a few names. Higgins and Jesse White would have been handy tonight, as an example.


Which ones would we have had to give up picks for? Chasing players that would get in the way of a complete rebuild is the worst thing we could do right now.

White was a victim of Sydney's cap squeeze. Higgins was a free agent. I don't think either would have been particularly expensive compared to the inflated wages we seem to be paying second and third tier players at our club.

List management will always be a scrap fight so long as the club isn't working on all other areas substantially. You can blame the coach, you can blame player x, but there needs to be a collective lift in simple standards across the board, and some hard truths need to sink in for those that think they are doing enough by hitting the right mark on a stat sheet.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:04 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
jimmae wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.

Wiping out the top half of the list would be the worst thing you could do right now. There's work to be done and turnover to be made but we need to convince free agents and incoming trades that this is the place to be.

So far our lack of appeal seems to have cost us more than a few names. Higgins and Jesse White would have been handy tonight, as an example.


Which ones would we have had to give up picks for? Chasing players that would get in the way of a complete rebuild is the worst thing we could do right now.

White was a victim of Sydney's cap squeeze. Higgins was a free agent. I don't think either would have been particularly expensive compared to the inflated wages we seem to be paying second and third tier players at our club.

List management will always be a scrap fight so long as the club isn't working on all other areas substantially. You can blame the coach, you can blame player x, but there needs to be a collective lift in simple standards across the board, and some hard truths need to sink in for those that think they are doing enough by hitting the right mark on a stat sheet.


do we ever learn? picking up Higgins and White would have further contributed to our woes

gettingmultiple early draft picks should be the priority now


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:15 am 
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How does a mid-3rd round pick and a free agency signing dramatically affect our draft order?

Do you think having White & Casboult competing or a role or in the same team is a bad choice?

White was 25 at the time of the trade. Getting players in the 25-27 bracket isn't topping up for a list that lacks developed senior players...

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:23 am 
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If this club is in a rebuilding phase why in the hell
are they trading away draft picks for players who
are in there early to mid 20 surely they are bettor
of drafting 18 year old in


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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:58 am 
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Get the best recruiter you can find and offer them a ridiculous amount of money.

Spend the next three years trading anyone of value for picks. Nothing but picks. Just stockpile picks and use them. Don't trade them.

Father and son picks on merit only. Hawks offer sosos their first rounder (pick 18) and he's worth a mid teens pick, then sorry, we shouldn't pay pick 1 or 2 for him.

Just get kids and a great teaching coach. Build the whole team around development.

Do something we have never done before. Be patient and do it right.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:20 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
Get the best recruiter you can find and offer them a ridiculous amount of money.

Spend the next three years trading anyone of value for picks. Nothing but picks. Just stockpile picks and use them. Don't trade them.

Father and son picks on merit only. Hawks offer sosos their first rounder (pick 18) and he's worth a mid teens pick, then sorry, we shouldn't pay pick 1 or 2 for him.

Just get kids and a great teaching coach. Build the whole team around development.

Do something we have never done before. Be patient and do it right.

whats wrong with our recruiting????

if that was the answer why havent we done it already???

get rid of the people at the top and you might start seeing change

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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:53 am 
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This is the list management thread synners. Start a strategic management thread and we can discuss the issues pertaining to the directors of the club there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:04 am 
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how do u think we ended up with this list management if not for the people that do the appointing of the people that appoint chucky??
i think you deserve your misery because you dont get it...

and for years ... you thought it was all going to be not this sack of shit...

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:27 am 
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WOW wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
jimmae wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Everyone over the age of 26 can either get traded or delisted......

START OVER

The CAPTAIN is the first on the table.

Wiping out the top half of the list would be the worst thing you could do right now. There's work to be done and turnover to be made but we need to convince free agents and incoming trades that this is the place to be.

So far our lack of appeal seems to have cost us more than a few names. Higgins and Jesse White would have been handy tonight, as an example.


Which ones would we have had to give up picks for? Chasing players that would get in the way of a complete rebuild is the worst thing we could do right now.

White was a victim of Sydney's cap squeeze. Higgins was a free agent. I don't think either would have been particularly expensive compared to the inflated wages we seem to be paying second and third tier players at our club.

List management will always be a scrap fight so long as the club isn't working on all other areas substantially. You can blame the coach, you can blame player x, but there needs to be a collective lift in simple standards across the board, and some hard truths need to sink in for those that think they are doing enough by hitting the right mark on a stat sheet.


do we ever learn? picking up Higgins and White would have further contributed to our woes

gettingmultiple early draft picks should be the priority now


Yep. Need to start with kids. When we start to develop some talent and a decent list then look at free agents. Shouldn't be looking at any players from other clubs unless it's a Docherty type who is a kid anyway that wants to come home.

Our only trades should be our players for picks. Plan needs to be to get 4-5 picks inside 30 for the next 3-4 years plus later picks and rookies. Keep turning over the average players.

The simple fact is we have no direction. More time sitting in no mans land.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:02 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
kezza wrote:
So, do we trade the number one draft pick or keep it?


Wash your mouth out..!


...keep it, of course.


..early picks mean little because we don't capitalise on them.. ....how many do we need..?.. ..our club thinks all you need to do is get the pick.. ..how we use it in yhe off season, how we use the player afterwards.. ..all part of the problem..


As you say yourself, 'two separate issues'. :wink:



..it would be good, if it were only two issues..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:07 am 
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..we have no idea when it comes to recruiting players with the ruthless drive to succeed, in regards to themselves and what they accept from team mates.. ....no one wants to make the tough calls on each other, unless the other person stuffs up royally and gives them no choice.. ..but if they have a choice, it's all nice chats and rev ups and second chances forever..

..in all honesty, who was the last good captain..?.. ..not a good player 'acting' captain, but an actual good captain..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:07 am 
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WE MUST load up on draft picks and get Quality kids into the club. ANy player that has currency should be put on the table.
We need to do this as we have no players to build a list around. May as well cut them loose.

I know this is harsh, but I would consider trading Yarran, Gibbs, Henderson and Kruezer.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:25 am 
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Maybe one day I will get over the Lucas/Talia draft...
You can't just trade anyone and everyone, no one would want to stay..
Players who I would keep, the rest trade or more than likely delist/retire,
Defenders;
Jamison, Jaksch, Simpson, Smith, Tuohy, Sheehan
Mids;
Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran, Cripps, Thomas, Docherty,
Boekhorst, Dillion Rainbow, Whiley, Buckley, Judd (probably had enough)
Forwards;
Henderson, Menzel, Everitt, Walker
Rucks;
Kreuzer
Not sure about,
Fields, Gowers, Foster, Byrne or Walsh.. Maybe another year.
Use the draft for a change..
The coach?? The game plan??
What about Stewy Dew from the swans??
Play the players in their suited positions, ie; Yarran is not a defenders arseh^#+..
After last nights game, we are bottom 4 material..
Be nice to require players like, stringer, bonta and mcrae from the dogs.. Good drafting..


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