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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:01 am 
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Play the kids i.e. Wood

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:15 am 
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How things change. About 8 months ago we had posts saying "WTF, why have we picked up that ex-Collingwood hack/dud" etc etc

Now he is a 'kid' (at 27 y.o. & his 3rd AFL club, he's hardly a kid, by the way) who we think will make a difference for us.....

Not saying he shouldn't get a run with us, but it speaks to the fickle nature of footy following.

FWIW, I thought he was a smart choice in the rookie draft for us at the time and he's been terrific in the VFL. However, my expectations of him making a significant impact for us are moderate.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:17 am 
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Whoosh

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:09 am 
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dane wrote:
Whoosh


Is he on our list??


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:21 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
How things change. About 8 months ago we had posts saying "WTF, why have we picked up that ex-Collingwood hack/dud" etc etc

Now he is a 'kid' (at 27 y.o. & his 3rd AFL club, he's hardly a kid, by the way) who we think will make a difference for us.....

Not saying he shouldn't get a run with us, but it speaks to the fickle nature of footy following.

FWIW, I thought he was a smart choice in the rookie draft for us at the time and he's been terrific in the VFL. However, my expectations of him making a significant impact for us are moderate.


He is still an ex-Collingwood hack/dud, but Warnock is even much worse right now....getting four possessions and a mark out of him will make a significant difference...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:42 am 
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Good post Centenary agree with much of that - want all of those players playing
Moreover if jeffy is on the list to be traded wouldn't be bad if he hit form and showed his wares to others to up trade value -I WOULD PREFER IF POSSIBLE TO KEEP HIM PERSONALLY
ABNS I think after the hysteria died down most thought that drafting of wood was astute given departure of hampson and penchant for big knockers and kreuz to get injured for long periods of time
Agree Wood is no worldbeater and shouldn't be seen as such but worth giving a go on the basis of consistent vfl form


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:51 am 
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..warnocks only asset is his height, but he doesn't use it to advantage.. ....goldy will beat him with physicality in the ruck, and then smash him around the ground with work rate.. ....wood is more of an all round ruck.... ..with congestion and the nature of modern footy, tap specialists have to be the best ever to be worthwhile..

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:56 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
How things change. About 8 months ago we had posts saying "WTF, why have we picked up that ex-Collingwood hack/dud" etc etc

Now he is a 'kid' (at 27 y.o. & his 3rd AFL club, he's hardly a kid, by the way) who we think will make a difference for us.....

Not saying he shouldn't get a run with us, but it speaks to the fickle nature of footy following.

FWIW, I thought he was a smart choice in the rookie draft for us at the time and he's been terrific in the VFL. However, my expectations of him making a significant impact for us are moderate.


It is not Wood personally. Wood has been a very bad choice. You only pick these players if you think you might have a chance for a flag. I picked blues to finish bottom four this year before the season started which is why I said it was a bad choice at the time we drafted him. At a time when we have no young talent we should not be picking anyone over the age of 22.

We should only be picking players who could play 10 years for us. Instead of giving a young developing ruckmen a go now we have Wood. Our development for the next senior ruckmen has lost a year.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:02 am 
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Yeah. Would be great sending an 18 year old ruckman out if Warnock went down.
Good plan.

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Not to mention trying to develope a young midfield around a very tall whitches hat...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:34 pm 
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Waite & Garlett in the mix. Menz will play. And we might try someone 'experimental' to see if it helps (IMO wood or Sheehan given we lost tex).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:50 pm 
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perhaps we should play cute, roll over onto our back and wait for a scratch

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:42 pm 
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The issue about Wood is that it indicates how poor Warnock is that we would be considering Wood. We gave up 2 picks for Warnock, one of them a second rounder in a very strong draft , we have paid a big salary to, he has managed about 60 games in 6 seasons and takes about one contested mark every 3 months and he is likely to be replaced by a ruckman who is at his third club and was back in the VFL last year. It says a lot about Warnock. He had the big chance this year as first ruck. All he does is hit the ball to contests. Another poor recruiting decision, and Sammy J is close to the best ruck in the AFL.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:47 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
All he does is hit the ball to contests. .


Maybe this year, but his stats from 2013 were pretty good

Champion Data comments on his 2013 season

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When he played, Warnock displayed his superb skills as a tap ruckman, ranking elite for hitouts, hitouts-to-advantage and recording the best winning rate of any ruckman in the league. Despite sharing ruck duties with Matthew Kreuzer, Warnock averaged 9.3 hitouts to advantage per game, only behind permanent No.1 ruckmen Will Minson and Todd Goldstein

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:10 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
The issue about Wood is that it indicates how poor Warnock is that we would be considering Wood. We gave up 2 picks for Warnock, one of them a second rounder in a very strong draft , we have paid a big salary to, he has managed about 60 games in 6 seasons and takes about one contested mark every 3 months and he is likely to be replaced by a ruckman who is at his third club and was back in the VFL last year. It says a lot about Warnock. He had the big chance this year as first ruck. All he does is hit the ball to contests. Another poor recruiting decision, and Sammy J is close to the best ruck in the AFL.


I watched the Sydney game - the bloke plays like a tree - tall and sways in the breeze and does not do much else. Shocking recruiting decision. Zero presence around the ground.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:19 pm 
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Effes wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
All he does is hit the ball to contests. .


Maybe this year, but his stats from 2013 were pretty good

Champion Data comments on his 2013 season

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When he played, Warnock displayed his superb skills as a tap ruckman, ranking elite for hitouts, hitouts-to-advantage and recording the best winning rate of any ruckman in the league. Despite sharing ruck duties with Matthew Kreuzer, Warnock averaged 9.3 hitouts to advantage per game, only behind permanent No.1 ruckmen Will Minson and Todd Goldstein


That's interesting, maybe the game has become more crowded or maybe other sides have worked him out. Anyway he is way out of form at the moment, and if his hitouts aren't effective he does nothing else.


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Carlton has placed Cameron Giles on the long-term injury list and upgraded Cameron Wood from the rookie list as his replacement.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:09 pm 
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There's the experiment.

Won't be hard to beat Warnock's output so this is most likely a good move - especially considering his VFL form.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:59 pm 
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From what I remember of Cam Wood from the last time he played at AFL level, this is just a part of the tank.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:23 pm 
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OUT: Warnock, Walker, Johnson

IN: Wood, Menzel, Robinson

Ziebell, McDonald in for Mullett, McKenzie.

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