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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:18 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
bigfella wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon***.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.


How do you think Hinkley has gone since taking over at Port at the end of 2012?

He took over at the same time we hired Mick didn't he?. Port were bottom 3 in 2012 with 5 wins. Nobody wanted to coach them, rated their list as bottom 3. No money, Needed an AFL bail out of 9 million over 3 years so they didn't go under. Their revenue is 39 million, bottom 5. we have 57 million. we spend 21 million on the footy department, they spend 14 million.

AFL coaches association Coach of the year in 2013 was Ken Hinkley (bottom 3 paid coaches in the league - Mick is top 3 - something not right there don't you think?)

He didn't need 11 wins and help from fitzy to make the finals in 2013

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The turn around at Port has been remarkable, both on and off the field (although we'll see how the off field stuff holds up when crowds decrease, the returns from the move to the Oval haven't been as much as they expected).

I live in Adelaide, and am mates with a couple of Power players. The lack of respect they had for Primus was amazing to me, as was the fact that they would openly air that fact to me. It's a much happier camp now, the players love and respect Hinkley and would run through a brick wall for him.

Port have also recruited/drafted exceptionally well over the last few years. Monfries, Ebert, Wingard, Wines, Polec, Matt White etc. That combined with the development of Boak, Broadbent, Hartlett, Gray etc has seen their fortunes turn around quicker than I think anyone thought possible. Fair to say recruitment and development haven't been strong points at Carton.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:20 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

Excellent use of irony and sarcasm Michael. He got a guy who was cut from the swans to come to us,and another guy with dodgy ankles to accept $750k to be an average player at Carlton. He has overseen the slow natural development of Casboult and Buckley. White is at the same solid level he was at three years back. Rowe is doing well, but he missed a season with illness. Players drafted 40 you wd hope wd be okay. Kade Simpson has been one of our best players for a decade and continues to be. And Mick won a final from 9th ag the Tiges who are one of the few sides in the league worse than us. And now we are a game off bottom, and no matter how insipid we are Mick gets none of the blame.
Sign him up for another ten years, the man is a genius...or at least very clever and self serving politically.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:38 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

Excellent use of irony and sarcasm Michael. He got a guy who was cut from the swans to come to us,and another guy with dodgy ankles to accept $750k to be an average player at Carlton. He has overseen the slow natural development of Casboult and Buckley. White is at the same solid level he was at three years back. Rowe is doing well, but he missed a season with illness. Players drafted 40 you wd hope wd be okay. Kade Simpson has been one of our best players for a decade and continues to be. And Mick won a final from 9th ag the Tiges who are one of the few sides in the league worse than us. And now we are a game off bottom, and no matter how insipid we are Mick gets none of the blame.
Sign him up for another ten years, the man is a genius...or at least very clever and self serving politically.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:39 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:49 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
freebies revoked


But I have the documentation

Plus Mick will manufacture a big win this week, just to annoy eddie

its just that Hinkley seems to "annoy" other presidents pretty much every week, and at 1/3 of the cost

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:57 pm 
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bigfella wrote:
Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon**.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.



Good point big fella they have all gone backwards this year for one reason or another

Apart from gibbs who is finally getting an extended run in the middle no other player with the potential to turn a game has improved. The ones that have improved are Menzel and Buckley from the young brigade and that’s because they are getting game time

The ones you mentioned (Walker, Henderson, Garlett) did have great years previous to micky so I don't think he should be taking the accolades for them having one good year then regressing (for whatever reason)

The point is the majority of our players aren’t playing to their potential and the team as a whole has gone backwards with mick so giving him an extension while we have not only improved but lost ground to the rest of the competition is illogical and indefensible.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:57 pm 
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merely an explanation that as part of the process freebies could possibly be available

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grrofunger wrote:
there was never an arrangement for freebies

merely an explanation that as part of the process freebies could possibly be available


I realize the consent form stated clearly that it was "frybies" but you cant prove it wasn't freebies.

I will take you to court.

I am not giving back my medal based on circumstantial evidence

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:07 pm 
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Make it stop please.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:22 pm 
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dane wrote:
Make it stop please.


You;ve gone all "dark" and "evil" on us dane, no more clowns....

This whole Essendon* saga is really getting to you

Just relax, infractions will come

I am assuming of course that someone TAKES OUT agent McDevitt

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Sydney Blue wrote:
I just look at the win/loss column

There's your problem...

3 points from a prelim still fresh in your mind

If we still had Ratts? well... just give us the cup

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:37 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
I just look at the win/loss column

There's your problem...

3 points from a prelim still fresh in your mind

If we still had Ratts? well... just give us the cup

At least when Ratts was coaching we considered ourselves a chance
Ratts might not have been the right man but Malthouse is certainly not

Theres your problem you have been sucked in to his bullshit

Your part of a sales team and tge CEO comes out and says we are in for a terrific year we have the right people in place and things are looking good. 3 months into the year sales are down the product your selling doesnt work its faulty and people arnt buying.
Management then comes out blames the sales team and says heads will roll we are regenerate our workforce.
Your on that sales team abd competing with others for your job.
If a sales lead comes your way are you going to pass that sale onto another tean member.Not likely your in self protection mode your looking after yourself and so are all the other sales people.
You have now gone from a cohesive team to a group of individuals all worrying about themselves

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:07 am 
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redback wrote:
bigfella wrote:
Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon***.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.



Good point big fella they have all gone backwards this year for one reason or another

Apart from gibbs who is finally getting an extended run in the middle no other player with the potential to turn a game has improved. The ones that have improved are Menzel and Buckley from the young brigade and that’s because they are getting game time

The ones you mentioned (Walker, Henderson, Garlett) did have great years previous to micky so I don't think he should be taking the accolades for them having one good year then regressing (for whatever reason)

The point is the majority of our players aren’t playing to their potential and the team as a whole has gone backwards with mick so giving him an extension while we have not only improved but lost ground to the rest of the competition is illogical and indefensible.

Absolutely agree with the majority of what you said there. The point I was trying to make is Mick ain't the messiah, but he sure as hell isn't the antichrist either. The problems run a lot deeper than that and predate his arrival at the club.


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Is Mick the problem? No.

Is Mick the solution? Only time will tell.

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Clearly Mick is part of the problem. Coaches can't make players have more talent but they can get players to maximise their talent and teams to operate so their achievements are greater than the sum of their parts. We were woefully half hearted ag GWS and in many other games this year. Being a coach is not just about having plans and standards, it is about convincing players to meet non-negotiables, which is what Hinkley and Lyon and other coaches have done regardless of talent.

We are playing half hearted confused football, if the coach bears no responsibility for that, what is he responsible for?


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Manchego Cheese wrote:
Is Mick the problem? No.

Is Mick the solution? Only time will tell.



Mick isn’t the problem, really.

What’s your definition of a coach’s responsibilities and duties?
Why has he received 1 mill for the last two years for?
How do you judge a performance based profession?


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Imagine a soccer team owned by redback, he'd be moving on coaches faster than roman.

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Imagine a soccer team owned by redback, he'd be moving on coaches faster than roman.


Or he would be way more careful about who he appointed in the first place.


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Cretylus wrote:
bigfella wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
A) He told the board to wake up and smell reality in regards to the playing list
B) He personally got Thomas and Everett to come. (Thomas is a top player. A "b" grader who you fail to acknowledge)
C) He turned White and Rowe from E graders into C graders
D) He gave Casboult some sense of belief and developed a kicking style to turn him from an E grader into a C grader
E) He has taught Gibbs to win contested Ball
F) He turned Buckley into a defender and potential B grader
G) He rejevunated a punch drunk Kade Simpson as a backman
H) He won a final.

He took us from playing finals to on our way to the spoon or at the very least bottom 3

He sent Walker Gartlett Touhy Jamison Hendo Waite Lucas Kruezer backwards

He has failed to improve Watson Temay Graham Houlman Yarran Warnock

we went from one of the best contested and uncontested ball winners to one of the worst

we had one of the best kick out stratergies to one of the worst

we have gone from one of the best stoppages side to middle of the road

but shit yeah the guy who had ball cancer has improved

Walker - had the best year of his career last year under Malthouse. Should have been in contention for the AA HBF spot. Has had some niggling injuries and a stupid suspension this year (which was his own fault, not anybody else's) which haven't allowed him to play consistent footy.

Garlett - started 2013 like a house on fire and was our leading goalscorer, but now his confidence is shot for whatever reason. Maybe Malthouse is to blame, maybe he isn't. Can't argue that one.

Tuohy - had his best year in 2013 under Malthouse. Has regressed this season, looks slower and his disposal hasn't been as sharp. At the crossroads. Hope he makes it, because he's one of my favourites when he's on.

Jamison - hasn't regressed in my opinion. I have some issues with the way the club has been using him (i.e. playing Rowe, not Jamo on the opposition's best forward) but he has been in good form.

Hendo - had his best year last year under Malthouse. This year he is suffering from not having a preseason. You can see that his tank, and as a result his game, have suffered. All going well, he will be able to have a full preseason and be back to his best next year. At his best, our most important KPP at either end of the ground and a great leader. Personally, I wouldn't be opposed to shutting him down for the year and letting him get his body right.

Waite - hasn't gone backwards. Is the same injury-prone, inconsistent player he always was and always will be. Did have one of his best ever individual games last year against Essendon***.

Lucas - has he gone backwards? Reading VFL reports on here and other sites, it seems like he is the same player he has been since he was drafted.

Kreuzer - I thought the media and some supporters were unnecessarily harsh on Kreuzer last year. Injuries have cost him momentum and form. At this point, I'm just hoping that his body will allow him to get back out on the ground and contribute, be it for Carlton or another club.

I'm not an apologist for Malthouse, I wouldn't even be thinking about extending him until late next season, and only then if he commits to acting in the club's best interests rather than for short term gain. Hopefully he gets some fresh, young voices into the coaches box next year who are confident enough to confront him about elements of the game plan which aren't working (there's no way Malthouse won't be here next year, we might as well accept that).

I think its unfair to pin all of the blame on him though, when a lot of the players you listed have had considerable injury issues which have prevented them from improving their games. Also, if we are to talk about the players who have regressed, what about the ones who have improved? Menzel, Rowe, White, Buckley, Gibbs, Casboult have all improved this year, and Simpson's career was rejuvenated last year when it looked like it could be over. Everitt looks like a good pick up at this stage, and I expect that Thomas and Docherty (another two have had injury problems affect them this year) will be fitter and able to contribute at a higher level next year.

Am I optimistic about the future of the club? Not particularly. There are areas on and off the field that should be heavily scrutinised at the end of the season, and I hope to god there is a full scale independent review from top to bottom. I'm not holding my breath on that front. However, to pin all the blame on Malthouse without looking at the individual circumstances behind players not performing is dishonest.


How do you think Hinkley has gone since taking over at Port at the end of 2012?

He took over at the same time we hired Mick didn't he?. Port were bottom 3 in 2012 with 5 wins. Nobody wanted to coach them, rated their list as bottom 3. No money, Needed an AFL bail out of 9 million over 3 years so they didn't go under. Their revenue is 39 million, bottom 5. we have 57 million. we spend 21 million on the footy department, they spend 14 million.

AFL coaches association Coach of the year in 2013 was Ken Hinkley (bottom 3 paid coaches in the league - Mick is top 3 - something not right there don't you think?)

He didn't need 11 wins and help from fitzy to make the finals in 2013

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Then on that basis you must think that Nathan Buckley is a better Coach than Paul Roos because collingwood is 6th and Melbourne is 15th. You twist the arguement with statements like Port has a bottom 3 list. Turn it up


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