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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:34 pm 
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One of the most pleasing developments in an ordinary season has been the progress made by Rowe. Aside from the second quarter against the brute that is Hawkins last week, he has been terrific in a purely defensive sense. A little slow to process what is happening around him and not the best user of the footy, but he has been doing a very good job for us overall. I am pleasantly surprised with how he's going.

On another note, did anyone else go to the game? Crowd was a poor 49k and the majority were Hawthorn fans. I know that Carlton fans are pretty fickle but they really do seem to have dropped off.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:34 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


The bloke was drafted with his only AFL attribute being that he is an elite kick ... my only expectation was that he could kick over a jam tin. Last night he couldn't!!!


..nerves, not a skill issue.. ..is it reasonable to allow him some early nervous moments against the reigning premiers..?.. ..in his 18th game..?..


Cool, the guy is a gun .... In the backyard with no pressure. Unfortunately for him AFL is played under the spotlight. He can take some Zoloft and flower off to some b grade country league ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:36 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
their bottom tier of players are better than our bottom tier of players

pretty much all it came down to last night


I actually think it's a bit of both but more lack of top liners. It's the A grade talent we really lack. Same against Geelong and why we are failing to finish off games.

People blame our fitness. I think that's way off base.

We are giving our all but in the end we come up short. It's hard on a team when you work hard to get the ball and continually turn it over. We turn the ball over too much and we lack quality ball use and decision making. Looked to me like we can win the ball well enough but butcher it.

The addition of Judd last night showed it. Passed his best but still a class above. Just does things right and made a massive difference to our side. As I have said before the addition of 3-4 "class" players and it can turn quickly.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:36 pm 
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regarding watson he has to play the rest of the year he really got throwing into the deep end.We have to give him chance to redeem himself.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:56 pm 
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I agree with Psych re our top end talent.

Judd (AFL Royalty and Carltons best player by a long stretch)


Gibbs (High B and becoming an A grader who needs to keep stringing good games in the midfield)

Yarran...(is up and coming and with a better engine will become an A grader)

Simmo...(who looked ordinary last night, but we know his game is an A grade game IF given no respect and plenty of space)

Jamison ...(apart from weak shoulders, he's an A grade FB who can compete with any FF in the game).






Murphy...(no where near his B&F 2011 form when he took over from Judd...he's a B Grader who couldnt force his will on the game....where is the class?)

So really its Judd, Yarran and Gibbs as the class players who can make a difference to our team effort. Without them and relying on Murphy and the rest of our mob to win a game is suicide. WTF has happened to the old Murphy? 2 good games this year. That's it!

Watson should be played again. I dont buy the nerves issue as an excuese, but more of a reason. Its his character.
We need to seee more becasue I thought he could bring something to the team. On last night's performance he's finished...so lest see if he can make ammends and if he really is a VFL player.

Good effort by the boys...I really thought we'd win it with Lake Gibson Mitchell Stratton and then Gunston out too, but the Hawks did come out to play.

MacLean and Carrazzo are a liability.
Docherty needs to fix up his engine.

IMO we have 11 good players as our core and the rest need to be improved by development or replacement.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:57 pm 
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..oh yeah, special thanks to robbo, army and white for bringing back some much needed mongrel..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:58 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..oh yeah, special thanks to robbo, army and white for bringing back some much needed mongrel..


Good point.

Loved Robbo having several goes at their dirty old fashioned thug of a captain...I wish we had him on our team.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Robbo was great. Looked more settled, less crazy too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:06 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
showbag wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


The bloke was drafted with his only AFL attribute being that he is an elite kick ... my only expectation was that he could kick over a jam tin. Last night he couldn't!!!


..nerves, not a skill issue.. ..is it reasonable to allow him some early nervous moments against the reigning premiers..?.. ..in his 18th game..?..


The biggest problem last night was ball awareness.

How many times did the ball come in and he was in a pack or against a single player and the ball spilled free and the other players turned towards the ball except Watson who continually found himself looking for it 180 degrees from where it was.

Hard to teach that stuff.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:06 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..oh yeah, special thanks to robbo, army and white for bringing back some much needed mongrel..


Good point.

Loved Robbo having several goes at their dirty old fashioned thug of a captain...I wish we had him on our team.


Casboult & Rowe bring some much needed physicality as well. Makes a difference.

In regards to top end talent imagine if we had 2 players like Selwood & Pendlebury in our line up. Not only ball winners and class but it allows Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran etc. to be the second level players and as such would play a lot better and with freedom. All of a sudden your depth looks so much better and there is less pressure on the kids to perform straight up.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:11 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..oh yeah, special thanks to robbo, army and white for bringing back some much needed mongrel..


Good point.

Loved Robbo having several goes at their dirty old fashioned thug of a captain...I wish we had him on our team.


Casboult & Rowe bring some much needed physicality as well. Makes a difference.

In regards to top end talent imagine if we had 2 players like Selwood & Pendlebury in our line up. Not only ball winners and class but it allows Murphy, Gibbs, Yarran etc. to be the second level players and as such would play a lot better and with freedom. All of a sudden your depth looks so much better and there is less pressure on the kids to perform straight up.



Good point re Caboult and Rowe...both show a bit of mongrel and hardness.

Re the selwood pendlebury inclusions....I agree but it just shows that Murphy is not elite...I'd have him as a high B grader. Gibbs can be A grade.

Shows we are a couple of class players behind. Yarran can step up with a good preseason and then we need to import another 2 mids who can win their own ball.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:19 pm 
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It felt like an away game last night. Hardly any Carlton supporters there again. I know we are a bit disillusioned with the club right now but i turn up every week. Each to their own but i will always go along and support them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Good point re Caboult and Rowe...both show a bit of mongrel and hardness.

Re the selwood pendlebury inclusions....I agree but it just shows that Murphy is not elite...I'd have him as a high B grader. Gibbs can be A grade.

Shows we are a couple of class players behind. Yarran can step up with a good preseason and then we need to import another 2 mids who can win their own ball.


I don't think Gibbs, Murphy or Yarran will ever be what I call "elite". Players like Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood, Fyfe, Dangerfield are those types IMO.

Elite players can dominate and make the A and B graders look so much better.

Murphy, I believe is a bit like Cotchin. Both very good players but struggle under the weight of having to carry a side. If all of sudden they are the number 3 or 4 midfielders they will thrive. It's the reason I rate Judd so highly. IMO he has made an average side look better than it was for several years.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:23 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Good point re Caboult and Rowe...both show a bit of mongrel and hardness.

Re the selwood pendlebury inclusions....I agree but it just shows that Murphy is not elite...I'd have him as a high B grader. Gibbs can be A grade.

Shows we are a couple of class players behind. Yarran can step up with a good preseason and then we need to import another 2 mids who can win their own ball.


I don't think Gibbs, Murphy or Yarran will ever be what I call "elite". Players like Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood, Fyfe, Dangerfield are those types IMO.

Elite players can dominate and make the A and B graders look so much better.

Murphy, I believe is a bit like Cotchin. Both very good players but struggle under the weight of having to carry a side. If all of sudden they are the number 3 or 4 midfielders they will thrive. It's the reason I rate Judd so highly. IMO he has made an average side look better than it was for several years.


BINGO.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:10 pm 
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Agree need some more A grade talent but last 2 weeks have been heartening in terms of not winning but showing with a bit more talent we could match the better sides

Need another good off season like last one get some decent players from other clubs like Docherty Everett and Thomas as well as early draft picks and hopefully one of those turns out to be a gun

Sick of people over the last 24 hours talking about hawthorn injuries -yes they have some but last night
We didn't have Jamison Henderson Kreuzer Buckley Curnow all in our best 22
Ellard also is injured

About time we beat this mob and one key criteria for next year is to beat them


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:10 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
showbag wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..be a bit more reasonable with your expectations..


The bloke was drafted with his only AFL attribute being that he is an elite kick ... my only expectation was that he could kick over a jam tin. Last night he couldn't!!!


..nerves, not a skill issue.. ..is it reasonable to allow him some early nervous moments against the reigning premiers..?.. ..in his 18th game..?..


The biggest problem last night was ball awareness.

How many times did the ball come in and he was in a pack or against a single player and the ball spilled free and the other players turned towards the ball except Watson who continually found himself looking for it 180 degrees from where it was.

Hard to teach that stuff.



..hard to teach sure, but plenty of players look to have none as they adjust to the tempo, case in point Rowe.. ..see how much more composed he is becoming, was worse than watto for awareness when you factor in how mud more experienced he is, watto settled as the game wore on, it took Rowe a month to settle..

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:00 pm 
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no way is dangerfield elite

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:48 pm 
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kezza wrote:
It felt like an away game last night. Hardly any Carlton supporters there again. I know we are a bit disillusioned with the club right now but i turn up every week. Each to their own but i will always go along and support them.


I think it was their replacement home game, the ones against us usually are.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:55 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
kezza wrote:
It felt like an away game last night. Hardly any Carlton supporters there again. I know we are a bit disillusioned with the club right now but i turn up every week. Each to their own but i will always go along and support them.


I think it was their replacement home game, the ones against us usually are.

Yes, it was. We were still badly outnumbered, only 49,000 there and we would have been lucky if 15,000 were our supporters.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:05 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:

can we stop handballing to our teammates feet too? that would be nice


Half volleys are the hardest to pickup cleanly but appear to be our favored method of delivering the ball.

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