Read the post.

I'm talking about the board, administration, relevant departments etc.
As I said, the players are just a creation of how they're being instructed and managed.
This list has the ability to play high level football. They've demonstrated that previously.
We dont need a list rebuild, we need to implement an overall club structure that will enable them to realise their potential.

Its the off field structures and leadership that are holding them back. They create the direction, expectations, standards and methodology to be a high level performer.
We're way off the pace in all of those facets.

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Not sure Mick is a big fan of "Ratten's list' though BV. I've no doubt there'll be a mini-rebuild.

I dont buy the "coaches list" argument Doc.
Why is it Rattens list? If its anything, surely its Wayne Hughes' list.
Of the players on our list, the only players traded in are Judd, Warnock, McLean, Laidler and Henderson.
The majority of those are our better performers.

The remainder of our list are drafted players. yes Ratten may have had a say in some but my understanding is the recruiters were given their head to make decisions.
No doubt Malthouse may want to make some changes but I dont see the value in a rebuild. This team has the potential to play excellent football and we should be aiming to extract everything we can from them before looking to start again.
Just my opinion.

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No doubt come years end there will be a "flushing" out of the players MM thinks can't take us forward.

Could be as many as 10-12 players.

Classic example being Laidler who Ratten wanted and MM doesn't.

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Ratts/ Hughes same thing..... trippers...

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I read your post. We had the same off field structures back in March when you said we should be top 4 this year.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

and yet... there will be an almighty razor that will cut through the list eliiminating one dimmensional hbfer types and slow talls who offer us nothing in terms of flexibility to improve our game day team....

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Yes, and I believe we still can be a top 4 side.
Have you read anywhere that I've changed that view?


Taking that next step will be the problem. We have a board and administration that hope for improvement instead of putting in measures to make it happen.
Look at our efforts to increase membership. 50,000. Our club hopes to reach the figure by pleading with the supporters and expecting a new coach/success will magically make it happen.
We have little creativity.
We make knee jerk decisions to save arses and placate the natives. Malthouse was chosen to buy the board and administration extra time. Thats it.
Just like Pagan was.

Its not about top 4. The coach isnt the major issue and I havent changed my view.
Malthouse will be hamstrung, just as Ratten was. We are a club that hopes for the best. The successful clubs plan for it.
So forget trying to score petty points based on previous discussions. My views on the list havent changed at all. These players have the ability to be a top 4 side.
Yes they require a good run with injury and a coaching group with an understanding of the game but thats not too much to ask.

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BV, there's a big influx of cash coming the footy departments way in 2014. Mick won't be hamstrung.

Laidler hasnt even been given a chance. Why does MM not want him already ? Bit unfair I would have thought. Give him a go and see. Same goes with Mitchell, McCarthy, Buckley.........

The people who still think we should put the future on hold to chase the elusive number 17 just for Juddy have a screw loose. We don't have to reject the idea of having a go at the finals just because we need to get our list right. Years of minimal changes and short-sighted judgements are bound to take their toll. It's not "Ratten's list" versus one Malthouse wants, it's a disjointed list that is lacking real depth versus a healthy one that can keep us competitive against the strong clubs for a number of years. Bugger all in terms of tall forwards at the club (apart from an ageing and injury prone Waite and a legion of plodders), general lack of the next generation of youngsters coming up from the 'twos' and an imbalance of prissy types at the expense of tougher players who don't give a s***.

We can be exciting to watch at times and I think Malthouse has brought out the confidence in some players but it's like the icing without the cake. It's fine to be optimistic but no amount of 's are going to change the reality of where we are at.

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All goes back to poor recruiting. Not focussing on good key position players, and choosing same types. ie Lucas over Talia. Not saying Lucas wont be good for us, but I think they were both rated well, so why not go for the key position cause we needed it.

Other clubs seem to choose good key position players later in the draft. We dont seem to have a knack for it. Case in point, all our rookies are small back flankers or midfielders. Use the rookie draft to draft some talls to develop them..

Its not about money Doc.
Its about people and attitude. We hope to match the capabilities of others. We're followers who set boundaries by our own ineptitude. When did Carlton last aspire to be a leader and show the initiative to achieve it?
While we're hoping to get 50k members, others are putting in place initiatives to get 100k. Other clubs are looking at initiatives to become more inclusive. We prefer to play our cards close to our chest.
We have an insular attitude based on either fear or embarrassment. That wont change by adding money or a new coach.

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First recruiting then Development.
Both areas have been very poor.

Wayne Hughes!!!.... but Ratten would have had a lot of input to the "type" of player he wanted.

Personally i feel the worst part of our recruitment has been the "psych" side. Putting aside the player "types" and "quality" we have drafted, i think one of the most glaringly obviously things has been the lack of "leadership" and "raw determination" in the players we have drafted. Very introverted and very quiet types. They just seem the type to be happy to be in the system and to exist.

We have tried about 37 players on our list and we are only at round 9, the last thing that should be said is that players are not getting a go.

There is also a syndrome/belief that the big fish will solve all the problems; Pratt, Judd, Malthouse.

It is almost always the way when it comes to recruitment/trading...whether it be Cloke, Daisy; that throwing all this cash around will solve some of the big problems.

People don't consider what impact giving all those picks or salary cap space away might have in the future.

People still stuck in the 80s; get the chequebook out and everything is better.

Shane Rogers understands

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And it can take time.

MM got the WCE at a time when they had a fantastic but young list.
His list at the Pies was, for quite some time, an ordinary group of players and I think it was his best coaching performance to get them performing well early on.
But he didn't win anything. It wasn't until he got a really great list, with a dominant forward that he could win a flag.

I think the same will happen with the Blues. I expect us to have much better all round performances against top teams and for us to start putting lesser sides away with not much trouble, but top 4 and prelims and a flag won't come until we get a very very good list.

That, most agree, is some time away.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

If you want to implement some entrepreneurial ideas into a football club, you need a little cash to do it. I'm all for their being a 'bubble' around the footy department, but Carlton made the mistake of thinking a bubble belonged on the club as a whole. It's only now that some layers have been peeled back and some decent thinking and engagement is happening. There was no cash to do anything in 2013...I have high hopes there'll be plenty in 2014.

Because we pissed away upward of $2 million dollars to the coaching department. Wasting money without addressing the real issues.
Another year in a holding pattern. Another year of stifled development.

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