I actually think the club can hold it's head high.

They have made the decision to sack Ratten which is fine, if they don't believe he is the man for the job then I respect that decision. They are making swift action in that decision and being as transparent as possible with the effort to show Ratts some respect. The problem is, if the club don't say anything they get slammed for manipulation and deceitfulness but as soon as they open their mouths they get accused of treating a favourite son like dirt and lying.

If reports are true, we have done the right thing in letting Ratts know his fate as soon as the decision was made. Ratten would have wanted to know as soon as the board did. The media forces clubs to act in time frames that they choose. In this case the unrelenting nature of the media has put us in a position where if we don't act to the public when they want us to, they will attack our brand and spin/make up stories until they get something out of us. It sells papers.

Our media conference tomorrow is a direct result of the pressure the media has put on the club. It has to be done and I have no doubt that those involved tomorrow will handle themselves with class.

If you don't believe Ratts should be sacked, that is another issue but I would like those who feel the club has embarrassed itself to discuss the alternative avenue the club should have taken and what do you think the response would be from the media in that scenario? I am just asking the question and would be interested to hear what others ideas are.

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I was feeling sick in the guts throughout the afternoon, listening to this fiasco: I'm in flower Sydney FFS!!
Feeding frenzy.
Didn't think it would make me feel sick in the guts. This script is terrible for Ratts.
Doesn't deserve it like this.

If the club has told him as he wanted to be told, they couldn't have done any different or better.


Great to read your post first up TheSwan ...does it get bad back a few pages on this thread?

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The media led by the chief whore (and we all know who i am referring to) have really disgraced themselves during this process in order to be able credit themselves with this "scoop".

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The club should've announced it at this mornings presser.

It doesnt get too bad further back but I feel there is a general theme of negativity before really exploring these issues from different angles. It's generaly the case from a lot of people (human nature). I guess we are passionate supporters.

The way the media runs our game is only a small little snippet of how they manipulate the world's politics to make money. We accept it because we are used to it.

Also and unfortunately there are many people who want to hear certain ideas no matter how manifactured and false they are to make themselves feel better. In this case, all those who love nothing more than to see Carlton fail in whatever it does.

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Koperek.

What if Ratts was told last night - in order to allow him dignity of a farewell game & being told as soon as a decision was made.

What if Ratts didn't react privately in a manner the club expected?

What if Ratts' trusted confidants advised the media?

What if The club was then over a barrel and tried to hose the speculation down today?

What if the frenzy developed a life of its own - the club then needed to call tomorrow's presser rather than wait til next week as planned.

What if a handshake deal was agreed to weeks ago and MM doesn't have the club by the balls?

What if MM's posturing is just part of the public face of the dance?

Maybe the club isn't as bad/ineffective/shortsighted in all areas as some are suggesting.

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Then the much more prudent thing would have been to hold a press conference at 5pm today, rather than 9:30am tomorrow.

What if the Port game was a key point in the season

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Yeah possibly.

Maybe they had asked Ratten his thoughts today and what his wishes were on how to go about this. Perhaps Ratten was not emotionaly ready for it today?

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Koperek.

By jove, that's almost crazy enough to be plausible...

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Your post makes a good point. There are so many what if's that how can anyone, including the media come to conclusion about our club without knowing the facts. I am proud of our club.

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Koperek.

Who would ever have thought that well paid, successful people (incl the board) could actually have a plan, one that isn't apparent to all and sundry, yet one that has the club's best interests at heart.

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Sounds plausible to me.

I seriously don't know what more they could do. They tried to get through to next week but it got out.

They will now announce tomorrow. MM will be next week.

Its all good. Had to happen, club has been proactive. MM will now be in place early enough for trade period, draft, list decisions and to appoint staff etc.

IMO the decision was made a long while ago and the club has done well to keep it quiet until now.

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We learning yet?

Seems not.

So let me get this right.

Sack a coach after the result of one game? Since when does one swallow make a summer? Hey Collingwood lost to us by bigger margins and more often. Should they sack Buckley?

Sacking Ratten now would be giving Mick Malthouse huge leverage over us. Basically he would be the only option and he would then have Carlton over a barrel. His saying that it now or never and that Ratts should be sacked first would WEAKEN Carlton. Not to mention financially Carlton would be weakened dramatically.

I would hope the quick fix mentality has gone. Hopefully Sticks is true to his word and it is going to be a well considered process at the end of the season. If we are going to appoint MM instead of Ratts it would have to be a month after the end of the season for it to at least have the appearance of proper due process.

Why not? 5 years to prove yourself seems pretty generous to me.

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I presume sponsors ect need to be informed, Ratts Needed time to let it sink in and inform his family personally their would be a heap of reasons,not that simple.

BigKev,

Hope you are wrong.

You are assuming that the appointments in 02 & 07 are as sound (or otherwise) as the one we are facing into?

I think we are learning, I think a move away from the class of '95 is good - loved Ratts as a player but was not given a chance at success by virtue of the assistants he had in his early years.

OR

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It's not as a result of any 1 game

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Given that all the rumours point to us getting Malthouse without doing a proper review, how could you not make this assumption?
It smacks of Pagan.