These blokes walk into a side surrounded by class and experience and are not expected to be the be all and end all of the team
Very rarely do you see them all line up together
We get young blokes put them in and if the are not tearing it up we say they are not developed properly
Big difference between them and us their young blokes can have the odd off game and it goes unnoticed
Levi put in a bad one this week and everyone wants to linch him and the developnent department but if our experienced blokes like Waite and Betts had converted their chances we could have tolerated the Levi misses
Its a matter of perspective good players make new recruits look better

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Yes - correct. Well done Psych. Terrible decision!!

What other disasters have there been ... hmmm ... I seem to remember we wasted a pick in the 40's for Simpson.
(Soft player, hardly ever on the park.)

Oh yes ... and when we were crying out for KPP we draft Marc Murphy when we could've had the great Scott Gumbleton.

Anyway, enough tongue in cheek ... I sure you get my point. We've had hits and miss. Probably not as good as Geelong, but a hell of a lot
better than Melbourne. I agree with Keogh that I'd love to see us get better at talent identification, but I think that you can say this without
lambasting past efforts.

They also fell into Scarlett (not a Wells selection I don't think but a no-brainer), Ablett and Hawkins as 3rd rounders. No particular skill in getting them for virtually nothing.

Our picks at that stage of those drafts were Craig Black, Justin Davies and Mark Austin.

Why didn't our stars of the 70s-80s get busy producing footballing heirs?

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Maybe I should PM you Cazz, but I will ask again about Warnock.

Why did we pursue him so hard when we had Jacobs

That and other recruiting questions have been answered many times in the past. Do a search or see if someone else can find the answer for you.

Regards Cazzesman

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our recruiting has been so so.
our recruiting strategy has been ridiculous.
development terrible.
the perfect storm for not winning a flag.

it will need a couple of seasons to restructure things now.
getting Cloke is definitely do or die.
either it will tip us towards a premiership or into the junk yard for a long time.

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I asking you
What are your thoughts

Keogh - I was going to respond re: the Judd trade, but this post from club29 basically sums it up.

The fact that Eddie wank-stick McGuire is still whinging about how unfair it was that we could recruit Judd says a lot.

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recruiting would be so hard, and as cazz said alot of times people say the right things and run and jump high but when it comes to playing under pressure in the afl you cant predict what might happen and everyone praising sydney about there recruiting and jizzing all over there team, they have only won 1 premiership in how long and i dont think they can beat hawthorn in the big dance.
our development is stuffed....when you have players who still cant kick after being in an afl team for 3 years , you know you got problems

I'm confused over the Rodgers/Hughes role swaps and if thats a demotion for WH then is that a reflection on his work and who would have initiated that swap....Swann, Ratten, Sticks?
I did hear that Rodgers was going to be poached by other clubs and the solution to keep him was make him recuiting officer No 1 but that seems a strange way of handling that problem by demoting WH.

Robert Walls was not backwards in potting the recruiting/list management and lining up Lucas and Watson as examples...poor recruiting or poor development?

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All that showed me was Walls was a weekend watcher and had no idea what is going on.

He has limited interest anymore and is just bidding his time.

As much as I liked him as a player and coach he is passed his use by date. He is no longer relevant.

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Our Development is stuffed but as I recall Sir Alex Ferguson once said about the skill level of his team - it might have been to Kevin Sheedy or Mick Malthouse when they went over to Manchester United on a fact finding tour:

"We dont recruit anyone to Manchester United that cant kick"

or words to that effect.

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The answer to that is the club recruited Warnock to lead the ruck division, given he was believed to be further along his development curve than the three rucks who were virtually identical in that respect, albeit coming from different directions.

IMO, Jacobs is still barely about where Warnock is in overall game presence, and only because Warnock isn't fit. At centre bounces, Warnock is number one out of all the four. That's undeniable.

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First things first... Im not trolling, somebody put a link to this thread on Bomberblitz.

Good to see that we are not the only ones who do revisionist drafting and trading threads.

We took Myers over Dangerfeild / Rioli and many fans still haven't forgot it. Gumbleton over Selwood, trading pick 16 for Mark Williams (and other stuff) when Fyfe and Bastinac where still available... all clubs have this sort of stuff. While you have had a few shockers, plenty of clubs have fared worse. Nobody has stuffed up a draft quite like Melbourne did in 08.

The Warnock trade was stupid at the time and even stupider in hindsight. Same as Mclean. But how could you question the Judd trade? You got a captain and a brownlow medalist; the guy is in the top 2 or 3 players of the last 15 years!

I'd say not taking Jack Darling was your biggest miss, but clearly WC played that situation very well.

You saw in 2011 that the core of your list is good enough; the problem is clearly coaching and attitude, which are sort of related. As an opposition supporter, I hate the idea that malthouse will be at your club. He'll sort a lot of crap out.

Chill out guys... The Gold Coast loss got you what you all really wanted. Just pray you don't stuff up the Fitness and conditioning aspect like some other clubs....

And another loss to St. Kilda this week will give us one more option at the 2012 National Draft.

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That's not exactly the same comparison is it Mr C ?... Your response was far more loaded than it appears . Perhaps what you should have asked was ... Of all the kids Keogh teaches each year what percentage would get a result considered acceptable (be it A or B) if Keogh and his fellow educators were able to pick their students from a pool considered worthy for tuition. Given then that Keogh and his fellow educators could then identify the presence of fundamental attributes they consider neccesary on which to build upon isnt it then a reasonable assumption that the assuming they identify those attributes well enough that the percentage of A and B achievements will increase?.

I reckon the other clubs would want to get in on our hindsight recruiting lark too,so it wouldnt be as simple as picking out whatever player that was taken after our pick, and has performed best this season, and saying "what if".

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trade bait?

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sam reid at 38. vardy 42

and how much to we rely on "spotters"? i would have thought that we would have a better chance to look at players in victoria (vardy, talia and reid) that lucas (WA).
can i have my hindsiight award now?

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