worst lose in clubs history! worst night of my life! i hope someone is dumping a load of cow crap at optus oval front door tommorow! gutless peahearts!

So here you go you flower Ratten supporting cauliflower @#$%&! fuckholes.

@#$%&! you all.

The @#$%&! writing has been on the wall for that long it's not funny and at last perhaps we have a chance to acknowledge that the club has a problem and that problem is not going to go away until we cut the @#$%&! cancer out.

Sick of @#$%&! watching this @#$%&! shit.

Male up all the @#$%&! stories you want but it's been glaringly obvious for a long time that Ratten is not a coach that's likely to win a flag.

Just @#$%&! over it and glad that at last there'll be no option but to end the Kernahan era.

I'm done.

If we'd kicked straight?

FMD.

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This.

Ellard got a severe corky (from the looks of it) and you couldn't really expect much from him from that point on.
He would have been subbed off if not for the fact that he was the sub.

Fencesitter

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A dark night.
Too many dark days & nights over last few years.

What has posters wanting to keep Ratten got to do with anything??? We are posters, average fans and joe blows. We have no say in who coaches at all.

Not sure why you are angry at pro Ratten folk.

Continue crying.

The upside for Casboult is at least he's getting the ball.
His kicking (and confidence) is shit but that's where he needs to learn and be encouraged to back himself and it will turn around.
If the problem is what he does after he takes a big pack mark, in my view that's the best problem to have with a big forward. Goal kicking practice for him in the pre season you'd hope.

Do we know what was said in the presser?

More disappointed for Andy Mac, than tonight's loss.

Have to agree. Who cares if people have differing opinions on the coach? It makes no difference one way or the other in the grand scheme of things. The club will make the decision regardless of what a few forum posters think. Fair hissy fit though.

This has been going on for years.
Fev and Eddie made us look good.

But nobody could ever be flowered to fix it.

Whos to blame? Ratts? Barker? Icke? Hughes?

Somebody needs to pull their snake lolly / Freddo Frog / whatever out of their ass and make a stand: ONLY DRAFT PLAYERS WHO CAN FLOWERING KICK A BALL

FFS

Pretty much the way i saw it.

I don't see a new coach making much of difference with this list. He would have to trade and build a new list and hopefully kill off whatever it is that has makes us flaky for the last decade.

There's a really deep-seated mental weakness at Carlton. Has been for a few years. Highly paid professional footballers shouldn't need someone screaming at them pre-game to get them up for the challenge. You'd hope there would be enough pride and professionalism in the playing group for that to happen automatically. But there isn't. Every time there's really something at stake, we fold. Whoever is in charge after the inevitable happens to Ratts has this as their number 1 issue I believe.

Tonight was a blessing in disguise.........Yes that's right a blessing in disguise. I am shattered by the loss but it will force the club to face up to a few home truths.

The last month has seen Carlton viewed in a favourable light because we beat up on a few side despite being undermined, and had we snuck into the finals there was a risk that the season as a whole would not be analysed properly for the absolute unmitigated disaster it has been. Tonight forces the club to really look at everything that has happened and the tough questions have to be asked of the players, the coaching panel, the development team, the recruiters and the board and club as a whole.

Home Truths:
1. The mental fragility of this team is alarming, as a team they cannot handle any expectation and as soon as they are expected to win they go to water. The insipid display tonight was as bad as it gets and the fact that this group of players essentially threw away a potential finals spot with barely a whimper in the first half is pathetic and they should be viewed as a laughing stock by all other AFL teams and supporters.

2. Mental Fragility #2 - The team looked like they had gone up to Gold Coast for a holiday and at the last minute decided to have a casual kick of the footy in the park. WTF!!!! How does that happen?? where are the leaders?? where are the players to stop the rot and actually get the players to lift to the occasion, in reality leaders shouldn't be required because every player should be able to motivate themselves to give 100% but clearly the bunch of "pea hearts" we had running around tonight couldn't be bothered and though someone else would do it for them.

Mental Fragility #2a. Why the @#$%&! am I reading Tweets from Mark Murphy at lunch time today about how many blues supporters are on the Gold coast???it sounded like he was on holidays and had just popped into Cavill Avenue for a Gelati and saw a few Blues fans, surely everyone except Emily Seebohm is aware that "Tweeting" on game day is not a great idea.

3. Coaching - I feel sorry for Ratts......It was not his fault that the players butchered the ball so horrifically. In over 30 years of watching Carlton that was the worst skills I can remember. I feel sorry for Ratts because he made a few good moves - Yarran into fwd line etc.. but ultimately he didn't get the job done.
Does anyone remember what happened last time Carlton lost unexpectedly to a Queensland side??? I will give you a clue.......Capper Kicked a goal and Robert Walls cleaned out his locker...

I don't know what the answer is with Ratts, I am confused and concerned but the facts are we have missed the finals and taken a big step backwards....are there mitigating factors???? sure there are but they need to be analysed independently as well as internally.

Paul Williams (stoppages coach) and Johnny Barker (Fwd line coach) must lose their jobs as these have been our a chillies heel all year - No excuses!! Mark Riley has been around for 4 years and his position must be reviewed. Capuano - I still can't believe he is employed.

4. Skills - Just not up to standard full stop!!!! Every team has a bad kicking night but when was the last time you saw Swans, Hawks, Pies, Cats, Eagles etc.. kick the ball as badly as we did tonight. I am not just talking kicking for goal I am talking all over the ground.

5. Players - Terry Wallace once described us as down hill skiers and I argued against his assertion BUT I think we are down hill skiers in a different context, not due to lack of defensive side of our game but rather players that seem to always play badly when we lose. Some of the efforts of Waite and Garlett were abominations, For flowers Sake at least look like you are chasing.
Reality check - Garlett, Diugan, Ellard, Curnow are all no good. Fact

Our youngsters collectively had a shocker tonight but I will cut them slack because they are newbies but if Casboult doesn't spend 1000hours working on his kicking then he is not serious. White had a shocker and Bell found it tough but at least he had a crack.

Senior players with the exception of Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo and Simpson are only senior players by age not leadership.

6. Development -I could write a thesis on this but I will shorten it to an abstract. Players are developing too slowly and not reaching their full potential. I have raised the Gibbs issue so I won't go over it again BUT I will raise the Kreuzer question. I love Kreuzer, i love his effort and he is a fantastic young man BUT his ruck work tonight was awful against a novice. Matthew Capuano is our ruck coach (despite the fact he was a hack at North melb) yet seems to not have taught him how to jump off his wrong leg let alone feed it to advantage. This is not Kreuzer's fault rather a lack of basic player development. Kreuzer's stats fro taps directly to advantage would be very poor, I love his second efforts but ideally he would win more taps to advantage and hence his second efforts would not be as important

7. Recruiting - How we possibly picked Kane Lucas ahead of Talia despite the fact we had essentially declared we would take Talia is going to haunt the club for a few years to come. We need to improve our recruiting - Lucas, Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, have played a collective total of 15 games yet are all in their 2nd or third season - Recruiting problem or development problem??????

if the brains trust thin Cloke will answer our prayers they are kidding themselves, yes cloke is a gun but not for $1million and not the answer to our problems.

So where does this leave me???? I am shattered, devastated and ANGRY. I love Carlton and it hurts me to see us spluttering to the end of another wasted year . I will never stop passionately supporting my team but I hope tonight was the final straw that leads to some real change at the club. I don't have all the answers but I have a few. I hope this year was our "94" revisited BUT to assume that would be avoiding the hard questions that must be asked and answered.

Season over, Year over, I'm over it

go blues

I was a keep Ratten man until tonight but can't really see how he can continue
To lose to GC when the whole season was on the line when they had won 2 games for the season deplorable on top of losing to Port who won 5 games for the year

Need hard nosed coach with no allegiances to come in and shake up player group and change tactics and strategy
No more mates or Carlton old boys new broom with authority and take a broom to the place

As many have said this is the most pathetic performance that I have seen from a Carlton side in many years. They played as if they didn't need to show up to win the game and they didn't come to play at all. Apart from a handful of players in this side the majority of them would not get a game in Carlton sides from years prior to the 2002 horror season. The breed of players that we have seem to know or care nothing about having pride in the jumper and respect for the proud history which the Blues once had. This type of rubbish should not be tollerated and until they become consistent and learn to be accountable they will keep us loyal fans suffering. I will never stop being a Blues supporter but I wonder through how many more seasons of underperforming and inconsistency will I have to sit through. They keep making the same mistakes year after year and this is why we are getting nowhere and will continue to get nowhere. Yes we have had a bad run with injuries but so have other sides and we are supposed to be a good enough team to cover them. The simple fact is that there are too many players who seem to only perform when they want to and not week in, week out like they should. If that is your attitude to the Carlton team then you are deadwood and you should go to a joke team where such rubbish is acceptable. As for Ratten. I have nothing against him and liked him as a player but he seems to have run out of answers as a coach. Too many times it seems like he is trying to apply the same gameplan and too many times that gameplan is failing. He needs to be able to think more on his feet and like so many weak coaches that we have had recently such as Britain he needs to learn how to stick his boot fair up their asses! Clearly this team is not disciplined or determined enough to be top contenders if they are allowed to serve up this kind of rubbish. I don't know if sacking Ratten is the answer but being accountable needs to be start somewhere and if not from the players or the management then it should be him. Don't however jump at the first available coach. Find out that actually can fulfill the needs of our club rather then someone who is high profile. Lets hope for something better in 2013 but don't hold your breath.

This.

Gold Coast have a better window than us