What (arguably) works once, works a thousand times? I heard it said that Carlton don't try and second guess how the other clubs are going to go in the draft. Maybe they subconciously do and get it wrong?

I would like someone to do a bit of research on how many players under 21 get recruited via trading and the national draft on average each year (say, in the last 10) across the AFL and compare it to Carlton's average. I'm thinking we'd come out of it being notably conservative.

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Taking 3 picks in a National Draft isn't conservative its just plain stupid.

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imo,
trade/delist; thornton, bower, russell, joseph, ellard, white, o'keefe, carter, bray, lodge, heyne and kerr
upgrade rookies; curnow, dale, touhy and casboult

needs; 2 mids and a key forward

national draft; best available on all picks
trade week; depends on who is available and what we can get from the above names. [ie, bower or ellard for koby stevens]

core list;
defenders; laidler, yarran, henderson, jamison, duigan, touhy, davies, watson, mcInnes, mccarthy, boostma,
mids/wingers; judd, murphy, gibbs, carrazzo, robinson, scotland, lucas, simpson, dale, curnow, buckley, mclean, armfield, bell
forwards; walker, betts, collins, waite, casboult, garlett, mitchell, rowe
rucks; kreuzer, warnock and hampson

just my opinion

Kerr and White might as well be already gone. That accounts for the necessary Tuohy and Casboult/Curnow promotions. Can't see us promoting all three.

Bower probably gone - don't think there was much interest at the trade table last year for him. Straight swap for Roberton perhaps entertained..

I'm sure we'll look at Ellard trades. McCarthy I wouldn't be surprised to see us delist/re-rookie, same with Rowe if we get permission for special circumstances.

Russell gone. Thornton probably gone also.

3 picks if its Bower/Russell/Thornton gone, and Tuohy and Curnow or Casboult promoted. One more in McCarthy or Rowe if we pursue a trade or a PSD I suppose.

Can't see any of the other rookies other than Bell and Dale retained. Would be interesting to see if there's any interest in Curnow from other clubs, if we could re-rookie down the line. If interest for Ellard ensues - I'm sure we'd promote Curnow with whatever pick we get. Trading Ellard for Curnow effectively though seems quite redundant.

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Not sure that many of the players we'd look to get rid of will have trade value. Ellard, Curnow, Bower, Russell, Thornton, White.

If we want to trade for draft picks, something I wouldn't mind doing, I'm not even sure who'd have the necessary value to get a 2nd round pick that we'd even entertain trading.

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I think those players you've mention TBB may have some value for us to upgrade our picks, for example Ellard and our 2nd rounder to GWS for their 2nd round pick. Debatable if it's worthwhile, but it's the only way I could see those players having currency.

Unless the package two average players = one good player can somehow be applied.

I would have said Robert Warnock?

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Nah, I dont think GWS or anyone else is interested in Ellard at all, let alone downgrading their picks to get him. They realise we may delist him and they can stick him on the rookie list for nothing.

Warnock mayb, only if we're looking to trade him. Not sure we are.

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As an outsider I really don't understand why Ellard gets such a shit deal.

I hear about Ratts' favourites but why wouldn't you play a guy who seems to do everything asked of him whenever he gets a chance.

Especially when you're fighting for your job!


I might be wrong but it looks like if Ratten stays stays Ellard goes.

New coach - Ellard stays.

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I like Ellard, he tries his guts out.
However, he is a depth player. And his biggest problem, given his role, is his size. We have been crying out for big bodies around the ball.

Brock has proven to be a better option, which leaves Davey against Curnow for a spot.
I think Curnow is also a depth player, but currently the MC are going with him. One thing that definitely goes in Curnow's favour is his work rate.

I reckon Kerr, White, Bower, Russell and Thornton will be gone.
I think Davies will survive.

Tuohy elevated, and probably Casboult and Curnow.

List is 40 next year, so that would give us 4 picks.

If we do get Cloke , Casboult will be cut.

I dont mind Ellard and as you say he tries his guts out. His value is more intrinsic though and my point was more about his value outside of Carlton.

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Trade/delist: Russell, bower, OKeeffe, Davies, Thornton, Kerr, white, lodge, bray, Carter.
Trade or retain if no deal suitable: Lucas, hampson or Warnock, McCarthy, Curnow, Ellard, Joseph.

Intrinsic - Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing.

Early contender for word of the day there Brad.

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I don't see why if we get Cloke you'd cut Casboult. He could be our "Dawes" second lead up forward.

You need two strong KPFs apparently, we have none developed but one who has played two games. If we managed to get Cloke somehow, you still need that second one.

Keep Casboult.

Too many cuts here. I think Joseph and Ellard stay out of your list there.

The way thornton is reviving himself, he could get a 1-year deal and I wouldn't be unhappy with it.

I think it would be due to list space. This is a strong draft, and we have Waite, Mitchell and Rowe as well.

For what it's worth, I think Cloke is way too expensive, and would much rather that we go with Levi.

Wouldn't mind trading players for picks either. But I can only think of a compensation pick for Russell leaving being it at this stage.
Otherwise you would have to think bold such as trading for Brock McLean to get a 2nd rounder. Something I don't see us doing...

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Perhaps an Ellard/Curnow/Duigan type player, but I don't think we'd get that much for any of them.