R6: Carlton Vs GWS (Post Match discussion)

Siegfried · **Joined:** Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:30 pm **Posts:** 2864

camelboy wrote:

Great, we got up for the Collingwood game, that was three games ago. Have we seen anything resembling a four quarter effort like that since?

We haven't won all four quarters in a single game this year yet.

blues8182 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 10:55 am

JackWorrall wrote:

We clearly weren't totally switched on,

The same effort on Monday week would be of far more concern.

What concerns me is that attitude can be carried into other games which we would lose.

I know we had plenty missing and it can be hard to get up for a game that is supposed to be a soda, and the final score reflected that in the end, but it says to me that the hunger and killer instinct needed to get us over the line in tough games is still not where it needs to be, our last three weeks have not been anything to write home about, we played 1 qtr of good football against Freo, never looked like it against Essendon* and the fact that GWS were down two players and were always going to fade in the last flattered us on the scoreboard immensely.

I still think our forward line is brittle and for us to win games against the top sides we need everyone firing and mentally committed to bringing their best effort.

It is extremely dangerous to switch attitude on and off, and could come back and bite us on the ass hard, against a reasonable opposition.

Ratts did not seem happy at all, and rightfully so.

blues8182 · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:05 am

camelboy wrote:

Blues2005 wrote:

We clearly weren't totally switched on, or at full strength, but I was impressed with GWS and their intensity around the ball. They got numbers around the stoppages, seemed to go in much harder than our blokes and once they got the ball, ran well to support each other. Their execution let them down, but they were certainly very hard at it.

Having said that, it would be difficult not to mentally relax knowing that a win is assured. Those saying that we would have lost had we brought the same intensity to a game against Hawthorn/Geelong/Collingwood - we would not bring that same intensity as we would know that we need to work harder to beat those sides. So I'm not overly concerned in that regard.

It's a sign of mental weakness that we can't put supposed weaker clubs to the sword. And against a weaker club we can generally get away with it. But until we can play at our maximum intensity on a consistent basis there'll always be question marks over us.

If the GWS game was the only occurrence this year, then yeah, maybe it could be excused. But we've clearly learnt nothing from the Essendon* result.

And that's the concern I have.

Perhaps it's an easy comparison, but do you reckon Geelong just slackened off because they could against Melbourne last year?

Killer instinct. We don't have it.

Couldn't agree more Camel, the last three weeks have been ordinary, I honestly think that we are way too short at $4 for the flag, apart from a flat Collingwood we haven't beaten anyone yet and are still suffering from a lack of consistency over 4 quarters.

GodisNavyBlue · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:05 am

My main concern, as others have expressed, was our midfield being smashed at clearances. This has been an issue for the past three games.

Part of the reason must be the absence of Carrots, he is very good at making himself available for a handpass. But the three opposition teams have all used the same tactic of using their +1 around the contest whereas we have kept our +1 (typically Gibbs) on our defensive 50. This has meant the opposition have been able to escape the contested ball with an extra man so that often our +1 has no impact as the ball is played over the top or around him.

The Scum did this to best effect with Stanton having a free reign :banghead:

once the ball bubbled out but both Freo and the Giants both were able to run away from contests - fortunately for us they did not have the polish to finish it off.

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:07 am

harker wrote:

camelboy wrote:

It's true there were some positives yesterday, but can't really see why so many seem willing to excuse the negatives.

We should beat Brisbane by lots.
Great, we got up for the Collingwood game, that was three games ago. Have we seen anything resembling a four quarter effort like that since?

I have no idea where this year will take us, but one thing that does resonate strongly are Rattens words that we have geared our program towards being in our best condition at the pointy end of the year...

As part of a grander plan, I guess that could go some way to excusing the effort on the weekend, disappointing as it was.

Even if we did kick straight I still reckon it would have been one of the poorest 15-20 goal wins ever. :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:10 am

Siegfried wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Great, we got up for the Collingwood game, that was three games ago. Have we seen anything resembling a four quarter effort like that since?

We haven't won all four quarters in a single game this year yet.

That's a separate issue to having a fair dinkum crack for a full four-quarters.

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

Siegfried wrote:

We haven't won all four quarters in a single game this year yet.

We have the second best percentage and the least points kicked against.

Those facts may be more relevant than not having won every quarter through the six games we've played.

teknodeejay · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:30 pm **Posts:** 2897

And we still get to play Port Failade and Melbum this month...

but first thing's first, we need to take out St Kilda.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35135

One of the most unconvincing 11 goal wins I've ever seen. Judd and Waite weren't the only players resting this weekend, I reckon half the team looked like their minds were on beer o'clock.

verbs · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:58 am

If we only win one more game for the season, please be against St Kilda.

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

camelboy wrote:

Even if we did kick straight I still reckon it would have been one of the poorest 15-20 goal wins ever. :lol:

This is true, but it seems that Sydney and West Coast have overcome that problem by beating GWS by a similar amount.
Essendon* seem to have got on top of the problem of just scraping home against GC, also.

There is really nothing more to take from this game than the four points and to now get serious.

frank dardew · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:38 pm **Posts:** 7640

Very average yesterday and disappointing fringe players didnt take their opportunity - a shame knockers was injured kreuz could have done with a rest - waite carrazzo judd yazz laidler curnow still to return

Good to see with bowers performance yesterday that it was the correct decision to keep him instead of setanta (albeit until injured the big Setant was ok yesterday)

Lucas armfield joseph ellard didnt show enough yesterday
kicking for goal this year has been atrocious - really need to nail them

ball handling inept - even in last 2 quarters - lacked run -

Good to see hammer progressing - thought jamo looked better - agree with other posters duigan not nearly as good sure or clean as last year

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:18 pm

Wojee wrote:

One of the most unconvincing 11 goal wins I've ever seen. Judd and Waite weren't the only players resting this weekend, I reckon half the team looked like their minds were on beer o'clock.

Having abit of a mental release is not a bad thing in a tough competition where the difference between a win and a loss is mostly between the ears. Think big picture stuff rather than being the school yard bully.

Regards Cazzesman

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:25 pm

Far be it from me to question umpiring decisions :razz:

- however did anyone notice that GWS were allowed to get away with murder in chopping our arms in marking contests yesterday.

Just sayin.

stroby1 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:20 pm **Posts:** 84

woof wrote:

Not sure what the stats are but I would say our 5 best clearance players are Judd, Curnow, Carrazzo, Murphy and Robinson. Three of the top 5 missing combined with playing against McDonald, Ward, Palmer and to a lesser extent Scully and you can see how things can change. It was frustrating to watch but a 10 goal win, no injuries and a bit of game time into a few players on the fringes was ok.
It is quite clear how teams think they can beat us and that is to congest the area where there is a stoppage and make it difficult for us to run into space. The stronger teams, Hawthorn, WCE and now Freo at home are very good at this tactic and that will be our challenge for the remainder of the year.
If you look at the Hawthorn and WCE games of last year both teams got an early 4-5 goal break and although we made runs at them later in the game it was all over. So far this year Freo had a crack at the tactic and the opposite occurred, we had the 4-5 goal break and they were playing catch up and failed. I think we will learn a lot more about this group against Hawthorn and WCE more than other game in the season.

Good post - agree with this.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Cazzesman wrote:

Wojee wrote:

One of the most unconvincing 11 goal wins I've ever seen. Judd and Waite weren't the only players resting this weekend, I reckon half the team looked like their minds were on beer o'clock.

Having abit of a mental release is not a bad thing in a tough competition where the difference between a win and a loss is mostly between the ears. Think big picture stuff rather than being the school yard bully.

Regards Cazzesman

I was thinking big picture with our percentage - 67 points is ok but another 6 goals might be the difference between finishing 2nd or 3rd

GodisNavyBlue · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:44 pm

AGRO wrote:

Far be it from me to question umpiring decisions :razz:

- however did anyone notice that GWS were allowed to get away with murder in chopping our arms in marking contests yesterday.

Just sayin.

They could also hold onto or dispose of the ball in whichever way they saw fit without worrying about being penalised

harker · **Joined:** Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:27 am **Posts:** 2345

Cazzesman wrote:

Having abit of a mental release is not a bad thing in a tough competition where the difference between a win and a loss is mostly between the ears. Think big picture stuff rather than being the school yard bully.

Regards Cazzesman

Can't help agreeing with you Caz.

No team will ever have the perfect season but considering we still have several top tier players yet to hit their straps, this alone should hold us in good stead.
Jamison, Walker, Gibbs and even Judd will show better output as the season goes on.
Duigan, Russell and Thornton haven't quite captured their better form just yet and maybe they will and maybe they won't, but we do have cover regardless.

We may well still have some bewildering losses through the year, but the clubs' commitment to this years cause is stronger than any time in recent years.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

FFS people, we are 5-1 (after a 0-5 start :razz:

), healthy percentage, a third of our team still to come back. Look on the bright side.

AGRO · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 1:09 pm

GodisNavyBlue wrote:

AGRO wrote:

Far be it from me to question umpiring decisions :razz:

- however did anyone notice that GWS were allowed to get away with murder in chopping our arms in marking contests yesterday.

Just sayin.

They could also hold onto or dispose of the ball in whichever way they saw fit without worrying about being penalised

Being from West Sydney you would expect them to throw (which they did :mad:

) but our stupid umpires didnt even penalize them for some of their forward passes. :roll:

R6: Carlton Vs GWS (Post Match discussion)

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