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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:48 am 
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this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse

Easter means i have things to do... one isnt my Easter but i find things to do.. the other is my Easter and a hectic week. Someone with a less rounded life like yourself might not understand that.
Easter also means less working days.. and that means i have less days to fill production in whatever it is i do.
Also i had a death in the family... so coming here for you is the very east of my concerns.
I am not sure whether you get this or not.
Personally, i believe i can come on and post when i want and write what i want without being dictated to by the silly ones.(Cazzesman and his macho entry yesterday included... gave us nothing about the game .. but full of bluster and bravado does his usual... blah blah blah.. on any poster who doesnt agree with him and who is here and who isnt..)
Its like tv or the radio.. i switch it on when i feel like it... and i do not believe im under any obligation to anyone to be here when they want .

I really dont get what your beef is about my TC timetable patterns...."this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse"

Thats just more childishness.. and its quite funny!!! :screwy: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:23 am 
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You are a good fisherman Synbad, you always get plenty of bites.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:59 am 
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Synbad wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse

Easter means i have things to do... one isnt my Easter but i find things to do.. the other is my Easter and a hectic week. Someone with a less rounded life like yourself might not understand that.
Easter also means less working days.. and that means i have less days to fill production in whatever it is i do.
Also i had a death in the family... so coming here for you is the very east of my concerns.
I am not sure whether you get this or not.
Personally, i believe i can come on and post when i want and write what i want without being dictated to by the silly ones.(Cazzesman and his macho entry yesterday included... gave us nothing about the game .. but full of bluster and bravado does his usual... blah blah blah.. on any poster who doesnt agree with him and who is here and who isnt..)
Its like tv or the radio.. i switch it on when i feel like it... and i do not believe im under any obligation to anyone to be here when they want .

I really dont get what your beef is about my TC timetable patterns...."this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse"

Thats just more childishness.. and its quite funny!!! :screwy: :lol:


Having said all that you are unsighted when we win and when we lose you are quickly back on here to demand an a full review of the club from the top down.
It doesn't bother me really. Its just something i noticed and i can see why some posters have a laugh at your "schedule".

Enjoy the week .


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:24 am 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse

Easter means i have things to do... one isnt my Easter but i find things to do.. the other is my Easter and a hectic week. Someone with a less rounded life like yourself might not understand that.
Easter also means less working days.. and that means i have less days to fill production in whatever it is i do.
Also i had a death in the family... so coming here for you is the very east of my concerns.
I am not sure whether you get this or not.
Personally, i believe i can come on and post when i want and write what i want without being dictated to by the silly ones.(Cazzesman and his macho entry yesterday included... gave us nothing about the game .. but full of bluster and bravado does his usual... blah blah blah.. on any poster who doesnt agree with him and who is here and who isnt..)
Its like tv or the radio.. i switch it on when i feel like it... and i do not believe im under any obligation to anyone to be here when they want .

I really dont get what your beef is about my TC timetable patterns...."this sites shit. !@#$%& easter my arse"

Thats just more childishness.. and its quite funny!!! :screwy: :lol:


Having said all that you are unsighted when we win and when we lose you are quickly back on here to demand an a full review of the club from the top down.
It doesn't bother me really. Its just something i noticed and i can see why some posters have a laugh at your "schedule".

Enjoy the week .



having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.

There is a complete attachment to virtual worlds in todays society.
I dont come running in here to see what someone in particular is doing.. its an OVERALL experience for me.
There are a few people here that i read their contributions with interest... if they dont for whatever reason ... i dont put them under the spotlight!!!

It kind of reeks of having a cyber girlfriend and she missed a cyber meeting.
Again club .. when and where i choose to "turn up to" isnt really anyones business but my own...

Some of you guys must get your heads around that.

I did read it a couple of times a week.. again... beating those clubs on those particular days doesnt really tell me were flying.
However!!!... i did expect to beat Essendon* on saturday.

Not having achieved that.. means we lost a lot of credits in every part of the football world.
Ourselves.. opposition... media.. members.. football followers....

You cannot afford to drop games you should win....

I wouldnt have come in and commented this week if we blew them out of the water.. it was what was expected!!!

There are games that will test us.. and hopefully we can overcome those... and games that are almost a walk over.

Im not gunna come in here and slap everyone on the back in games we should be winning.

Roll a Hawthorn and im happier than most!!!.. roll Richmond...??.. well i am not gunna have a wet dream!!!.. im sorry..

Even Collingwood.. we were favourites...theyre on their knees as far as a flag chance is concerned.

some of you need some perspective...

Read Platos Cave

Actually the whole club should read it...

Interesting to see how we can bounce back this week!!!

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:28 am 
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Synbad wrote:
having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.

There is a complete attachment to virtual worlds in todays society.
I dont come running in here to see what someone in particular is doing.. its an OVERALL experience for me.
There are a few people here that i read their contributions with interest... if they dont for whatever reason ... i dont put them under the spotlight!!!

It kind of reeks of having a cyber girlfriend and she missed a cyber meeting.
Again club .. when and where i choose to "turn up to" isnt really anyones business but my own...

Some of you guys must get your heads around that.

I did read it a couple of times a week.. again... beating those clubs on those particular days doesnt really tell me were flying.
However!!!... i did expect to beat Essendon* on saturday.

Not having achieved that.. means we lost a lot of credits in every part of the football world.
Ourselves.. opposition... media.. members.. football followers....

You cannot afford to drop games you should win....

I wouldnt have come in and commented this week if we blew them out of the water.. it was what was expected!!!

There are games that will test us.. and hopefully we can overcome those... and games that are almost a walk over.

Im not gunna come in here and slap everyone on the back in games we should be winning.

Roll a Hawthorn and im happier than most!!!.. roll Richmond...??.. well i am not gunna have a wet dream!!!.. im sorry..

Even Collingwood.. we were favourites...theyre on their knees as far as a flag chance is concerned.

some of you need some perspective...

Read Platos Cave

Actually the whole club should read it...

Interesting to see how we can bounce back this week!!!


Doesnt bother me when you show up? Nor should it bother you that people follow your schedule. It is there right to do so if they feel like.......(and so on and so on).

We are going to lose games. Would have been great to show up with the same attitude as the week before and smash the bombers but it wasnt to be.
We are still flaky and everyone knows it including our own fans.

We need to get past this flakyness and prove it by backing up big wins against good teams.

I wont go on about small moves and coaching decisions costing us because that is all rubbish. Plenty of coaches strategists and ideas have gone through our coaches box and the problem remains.
Its the players. Perhaps the way they are prepared fitness and energy wise but in the end the same dudes flake out and more often than not its the same players making the same mistakes.
Missing easy shots at big moments to put pressure on the opposition. Taking the foot off the gas at the stoppages and giving up on the defensive run.

I dont expect us to beat freo over there. I see us having a hard training couple of weeks around the GWS game (as most clubs will) to load up. From there i see us getting a bunch of wins to have us sitting 8-2 after 10. That would be a successful start.

22 round season is one big game. If we get the wins on the board to finish top 4 early and then load up for the finals that hopefully we play in Vic then that is our best chance and i believe if we prepare right and get games on the G then we can beat anyone. So i am not phased about who we get our 17 wins against to get into the top4. Would be nice to get over the re ocurring flaky behaviour patterns though.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:00 am 
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Synbad wrote:

having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.


Are you doing anything Friday night?
If Ratt's is MIA due to pending arrival of baby I would love to see you on the boundary line Friday night calling the shots.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:19 am 
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3 Points :

1. Brock McLean was not the reason why Carlton lost. I love the way people lay the blame. He needs at least 4 games in a row ... he needs a decent chance.

2. Carlton lacked effort and seriously underestimated the enemy. Seeing the coach and some of the players at Friday nights Fremantle v St Kilda game was an indication that they were more focused on Fremantle than Essendon*.

3. I think the input of Carrots is also seriously underestimated. We really missed him.


PRO: We had a necessary wake up call.

CON: We lost to Essendon* ... I absolutely can't stand Essendon* ... hope Collingwood gives them an almighty thrashing.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:53 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
2. Carlton lacked effort and seriously underestimated the enemy. Seeing the coach and some of the players at Friday nights Fremantle v St Kilda game was an indication that they were more focused on Fremantle than Essendon*.


Don't be silly. It's called being professional. Of course the coaches should have been at the game.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:11 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
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I think Murphy said on Game Day today that they were looking forward to playing the bombers again and retaliating for Carrazzo's injury



That train has already left the station and we missed it - the time to fly the flag was immediately and all during the game.

They hit and sniped us all game and we did nothing.

Our on field leaders did not react on the field and our off field brains trust also appeared equally flat footed.

Murphy should know this lesson more than anyone after Brisbanes designated sniper Robert Copeland ended Murphy's debut season early in 2005 with a sling tackle at Etihad Stadium - probably cost Murphy the Rising Star Award too.


Well said Agro, too late now.
Ratten has to adress this issue now.
We have to grow a pair from every single player out there.
So what if they grapple tear your jumper and throe you to the ground.
You get up change your jumper and pay a fine for wrestling.
They smack you, stiff shit you smack them back, twice.
If we are to be a good team. We play like a team and fight like the musketeers.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:13 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
they had all game to retaliate


I agree. Lost the opportunity. Beaten once again by aggression and flooding.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:16 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
2. Carlton lacked effort and seriously underestimated the enemy. Seeing the coach and some of the players at Friday nights Fremantle v St Kilda game was an indication that they were more focused on Fremantle than Essendon*.


Don't be silly. It's called being professional. Of course the coaches should have been at the game.


Dunno, that point struck a chord with me. Do senior coaches for all teams do this? How is it ideal preparation for a game against Essendon* 16 hours later, to be at Etihad watching the opponent for next week?

Apart from anything else, it's easy ammo for Hird to show vision of Carlton players studying next week's opponents "they don't respect us yada".

If your game has been played, no problem of course, if it's 2 days later, less of a problem. But 16 hours before sends a message to the players that attend and the opposition.


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:38 pm 
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woof wrote:
Synbad wrote:

having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.


Are you doing anything Friday night?
If Ratt's is MIA due to pending arrival of baby I would love to see you on the boundary line Friday night calling the shots.

I wouldn't be on the boundary line.
how do you call shots from the boundary line?

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros & Cons
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:46 pm 
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Several posters have rightly bemoaned the lack of "flying the flag"
after Carrazzo went down.
Blind freddie could see it was pisweak dog act.
Where was the rally around your team mate ?
If that was Sam Mitchell or Joel Selwood on the ground how do
you think THEIR team mates would have reacted ?

Ryder trying to play the tough boogie man too ?
Excuse me, but he is a total cream puff flog.
As tough as marshmallow.

Only time i saw any passion i think was last quarter when someone had
a crack at Judd (probably Hocking) and there was some slight remonstration.
It made Carazzo's incident all the more galling in my opinion.

Think the whole football club had a complete shocker but the only good news
is that this Friday they get a chance to restablish thier reputation.
That will be FAR more important than the ignominity of dropping the last game.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:49 pm 
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Don't think he is Synners - I think he was relieved of match day tactics some time back

I thought he handled himself better than I have ever seen him in the after match presser on the weekend

He made no excuses and you could see he was generally pissed about something - Normally he rattles off stat after stat but he only mention the inside 50 stat which was unusual

I think the team was let down by the coaches up in the box on the weekend should have picked up that they had more numbers around the stoppages and were using the corridor on every occassion and did something about it

Murph said on game day that the decisons on those thing came from the box

So Paul Williams is the stoppage coach he was in the box should have said something- Malthouse picked it up in the first 5 minuts of the game

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:52 pm 
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redback wrote:
Well said Agro, too late now.
Ratten has to adress this issue now.
We have to grow a pair from every single player out there.
So what if they grapple tear your jumper and throw you to the ground.
You get up change your jumper and pay a fine for wrestling.
They smack you, stiff shit you smack them back, twice.
If we are to be a good team. We play like a team and fight like the musketeers.
All for one and one for all.


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aramari wrote:
Stamos wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
2. Carlton lacked effort and seriously underestimated the enemy. Seeing the coach and some of the players at Friday nights Fremantle v St Kilda game was an indication that they were more focused on Fremantle than Essendon*.


Don't be silly. It's called being professional. Of course the coaches should have been at the game.


Dunno, that point struck a chord with me. Do senior coaches for all teams do this? How is it ideal preparation for a game against Essendon* 16 hours later, to be at Etihad watching the opponent for next week?

Apart from anything else, it's easy ammo for Hird to show vision of Carlton players studying next week's opponents "they don't respect us yada".

If your game has been played, no problem of course, if it's 2 days later, less of a problem. But 16 hours before sends a message to the players that attend and the opposition.


They are in Melbourne and we play them the week after.
That's a good opportunity to catch them live.
Most if not all the Bomber planning would have been done weeks ago.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Don't think he is Synners - I think he was relieved of match day tactics some time back

I thought he handled himself better than I have ever seen him in the after match presser on the weekend

He made no excuses and you could see he was generally pissed about something - Normally he rattles off stat after stat but he only mention the inside 50 stat which was unusual

I think the team was let down by the coaches up in the box on the weekend should have picked up that they had more numbers around the stoppages and were using the corridor on every occassion and did something about it

Murph said on game day that the decisons on those thing came from the box

So Paul Williams is the stoppage coach he was in the box should have said something- Malthouse picked it up in the first 5 minuts of the game


If this is true then the whole coaching hierarchy and the board should be removed from office, especially Ratten.
The head coach sets and makes the decisions on the final make up of the team and the match day tactics and improvisations.
If not then you might as well let the captain, president or boot studder make the crucial decisions of match day moves.
At the end of the day the buck stops with him.
Is his head in some one else's hands.
If it is get some of the Carlton arrogance back starting with the coach's.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:00 pm 
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Pros: There's always next week.


Cons: The apparent lack of fight and heart.

Even at half time I thought to myself, we're good enough to come back and win this. Then the third quarter came and we gave nothing. We had the talent, but we didn't have the intent.

It's not the end of the world, it's only R4 and all that, but we did need to win that game. As much for proving we can handle the hype and media concentration as we needed the 4 points.

It was a mentally weak effort for the entire for quarters. That's what hurts.

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If it is get some of the Carlton arrogance back starting with the coach's.


Erm, we had bags and bags of arrogance last week, as I see it. That's probably why we lost.

We need humility and respect. With that we won't lose sight of the hard work required to win the games that should we should win. We won't underestimate our opponents. We won't expose ourselves to be so easily dismantled by our opponents. And we won't ever forget the lows from which we have come.

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Synbad wrote:
woof wrote:
Synbad wrote:

having said all that my schedule is not important to anyone but me.


Are you doing anything Friday night?
If Ratt's is MIA due to pending arrival of baby I would love to see you on the boundary line Friday night calling the shots.

I wouldn't be on the boundary line.
how do you call shots from the boundary line?


*snip*

Clarkson sits on the bench.


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