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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:04 am 
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You priks biatch like little girls.

I was a little dissappointed with the fade out (as a team), however I never really thought the win was in doubt ... I'm really looking foward to see what this team can achieve this year FULL strength.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:05 am 
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We responded well after a mediocre start, but there's a lot of work to be done as the season progesses, and sadly most of it is lessons we have not learned about our play from last season, that opposition teams have.

I think it's worth noting how underwhelming the midfield work in the defensive half was this evening. The majority of our zone once the ball was in the centre circle area was still well within 45 metres of the ball, which made it very simple to kick it over the top. Our defenders did well to stop some of these, but we still let in at least 4 or 5.

The defenders need to sit back about 10 to 15 metres deeper, and the mids who are not pushing into the 50 when we attack need to drop back another 20 to 25, because we seem to be rolling the dice and inviting this 40-50 m kick over the top, and good teams will burn us with the paddock. The paddock won't win you games if you play it every week, but there's 17 teams out there who are more than happy to roll it out for the chance of 4 points against us.

Cannot understand why we play shotgun football in an age of tactical depth. It's plain to see we can bring finals intensity, but can we play a game style that doesn't spend an unnecessary amount of energy winning the ball and defending simple f50 entries, so that can be channelled into better link play and f50 entries down the other end?\

Oh and the fact that some players don't for options through the centre of park when they're on a flank (which is a lot in our game plan) is really poor, and it's been happening for too long. By all means I get the idea of playing both flanks and how it opens up a zone set up, but when the man is on in the corridor, you give him the ball and work the opposition over. Kreuzer was free far too often waving his arms around like an idiot. Could have had 25 possessions tonight if he had have been honoured.

Which finally brings me to my last point: Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages. It was really, really irritating to see a modern day footballer receive the ball at the stoppage and blindly hoof it forward regardless of the field position or situation. I don't care that the ball went 60 metres; if there's a short option on and you don't know where else to go except hit and hope, you do not hit and hope. You hit up that guy and look to run a pattern that frees you up. Crap like that on a regular basis will see it raining opposition goals.


THIS is why I've missed your posts!

From my modest perspective, this game illustrated why our pre-season was not a problem.

I don't think we will hit our straps as a team until round four, due to the rotation of players in the NAB Cup, and the injuries we've experienced.

Provided we don't have a catastrophic run of further ailments, I think many of the shortcomings you've highlighted will be solved.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I keep thinking back to 1981, when we didn't win a pre-season game, but built the momentum for glory by the end of the season.

Also, let's not forget that Richmond had a perfect lead-up to this game, and we still beat them by seven goals. They are a better side than some believe.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:12 am 
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Which finally brings me to my last point: Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages. It was really, really irritating to see a modern day footballer receive the ball at the stoppage and blindly hoof it forward regardless of the field position or situation. I don't care that the ball went 60 metres; if there's a short option on and you don't know where else to go except hit and hope, you do not hit and hope. You hit up that guy and look to run a pattern that frees you up. Crap like that on a regular basis will see it raining opposition goals.


Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages was the difference tonight when we were getting smashed in the clearances. How many other ruckmen in the game do what he does? Roving his own ball and buttering up, constantly pushing up to the next contest. He's a 4th midfielder and his use of the ball at the stoppages is what sets him apart.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:16 am 
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Good win, I think Richmond will be okay this year, they remind me a bit of us in about 2008-9, good when they're on but unable to sustain it for any significant period of time. I wasn't bothered with the winless pre-season but I thought preparation-wise (injuries, lack of match fitness) we were a bit vulnerable tonight. So, to win comfortably in the end, after being seriously headed, is pleasing.

On some individual players:

- Kreuzer looked great and looks set to become a real force in this league
- Bower was terrific, one of the better games he has played for us
- Ditto for Armfield, he does turn it over at times but just gives us so much effort, run and energy
- Laidler is a gun, not tall or quick but just so reliable, never seems to do anything wrong and love how he drops off to help the other defenders
- Simpson was the one who got us going early during our slow start
- Always feel safe when Gibbs has the ball
- Curnow made a few mistakes and lacks a bit of polish but had a good second half, particularly when Richmond came at us
- Henderson did well on Riewoldt and seemed to win more contests than he lost, but some of his decisions and ball use were poor
- Some encouraging signs from Hampson, three goals should be good for confidence

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:21 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Great win tonight....never in doubt.... we are streaks ahead of the tigers....Cazz why don't you just let people express themselves as they see fit on these forums without being so nitty picky....express your views the way you see it and allow others the same privilege....Go Blues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I have expressed my opinion and for the record my opinion is that there is just no pleasing some supporters and I think it is poor form that after a good win with many highlights that the best some posters can do is have a cheap dig at JR because he didn't have a great night.

Regards Cazzesman


I just don't get it. How is it a cheap dig to express an opinion that someone had a poor game?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:36 am 
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TrueBluePete wrote:
You priks biatch like little girls.

I was a little dissappointed with the fade out (as a team), however I never really thought the win was in doubt ... I'm really looking foward to see what this team can achieve this year FULL strength.


I like your 4wd.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:54 am 
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Agro jr wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Which finally brings me to my last point: Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages. It was really, really irritating to see a modern day footballer receive the ball at the stoppage and blindly hoof it forward regardless of the field position or situation. I don't care that the ball went 60 metres; if there's a short option on and you don't know where else to go except hit and hope, you do not hit and hope. You hit up that guy and look to run a pattern that frees you up. Crap like that on a regular basis will see it raining opposition goals.


Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages was the difference tonight when we were getting smashed in the clearances. How many other ruckmen in the game do what he does? Roving his own ball and buttering up, constantly pushing up to the next contest. He's a 4th midfielder and his use of the ball at the stoppages is what sets him apart.

Forgive my wording: Kreuzer's stoppage work was fine, his clearance work was poor. He should not be the guy on the end of the possession chain unless he is running into space, because between tonight and the pre-season, I've watched him do that same tactic over a dozen times.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:13 am 
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There is a lot of gas bagging about either preseason form or lack of and or when/if shit happens in round 1,2 or 3!
Remember that we have run out of juice inte last few seasons.

I am impressed with Carlton's patience.
It is a long season.
Good planning me thinks

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:34 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Great win tonight....never in doubt.... we are streaks ahead of the tigers....Cazz why don't you just let people express themselves as they see fit on these forums without being so nitty picky....express your views the way you see it and allow others the same privilege....Go Blues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I have expressed my opinion and for the record my opinion is that there is just no pleasing some supporters and I think it is poor form that after a good win with many highlights that the best some posters can do is have a cheap dig at JR because he didn't have a great night.

Regards Cazzesman

everyones allowed to their opinion Cazz.
If Jamo comes in next week JR will get the chop so it doesnt matter anymore because we have good depth
For the record I saw the second half and I thought it was just an ok win. I thought Richmond were ordinary and we still have a long way to go. Our achilles heel is not having a big mother in attack. Hampson isnt the answer. Who are Richmond's key defenders. Also Vickery was pathetic. If he had plucked a couple of those marks the game could have been totally different. Jamo is our most important player. He must become a regular on the park


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:46 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:55 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:08 am 
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Happy to get the win and that the circus is over for another year. Quite looking forward to the yearly battering that old bellend cops today. A lot to be excited about, and a lot to still work on, specifically kicking for goal and drop-offs in intensity, which good teams will punish us for.

But in all, happy to have the four points, put the tiger ferals back in their place and get everyone off our backs. Now we need to take some big scalps.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:40 am 
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A good second half effort in the last but as so many have said, we had another one of our fadeouts. We were able to withstand the pressure better and use more avenues to goal. For Richmond, it was the same old story no one does anything except Riewoldt. Our second tier players like Arnfield played really well. Lets hope that this will shut the naysayeres up for a while and Tiges fans (especially you feral ones) remember as Sam Newman said on the footy show "You can't tip a team on the basis of hype".


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:43 am 
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Big dilemma for KB. Does he begin with:
A) Richmond are now clearly a 10 goal better team than last time they played Carlton, or
B) Carlton have now officially lost it. They are clearly 10 goals worse than last year....

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:47 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Agro jr wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Which finally brings me to my last point: Kreuzer's use of the ball at stoppages.
Forgive my wording: Kreuzer's stoppage work was fine, his clearance work was poor. He should not be the guy on the end of the possession chain unless he is running into space, because between tonight and the pre-season, I've watched him do that same tactic over a dozen times.


Not sure I agree. The only way they stop Kruezer when he does this is for a mid to chase him. His counterpart ruckman has blown up and is shot for coming contests PLUS the chasing mid releases one of our mids... Not many ruckman can have the effect he does, even if it costs an occasional turnover.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:33 am 
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:lol: Its official apparently, after one game, Hampson is not the answer

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:52 am 
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Still no !@#$%& premiership yet, and its almost the weekend again!!

!!

We're not good enough to flick the switch.

7.2 to 2.2 in the last quarter.

Walker's defensive pressure is as important as his goals.

Missed both last night.

Deledio. :garthp:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:52 am 
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keogh wrote:
I thought Richmond were ordinary and we still have a long way to go. Our achilles heel is not having a big mother in attack. Hampson isnt the answer. Who are Richmond's key defenders. Also Vickery was pathetic. If he had plucked a couple of those marks the game could have been totally different. Jamo is our most important player. He must become a regular on the park


If Hampson averages 2 goals a game that is 40 plus for the season, you can only beat what is put in front of you. Hampson is not a natural footballer so I see him getting better as the season goes on and not worse as he plays more footy.
Thinking long term I think the most crucial element of our season will be whether the 3 big blokes can work together in the same team? Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson can be a weapon no other team will be able to cope with if they can work in the same team. For me this is the key.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:55 am 
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But we lost 5 out of 5 preseason matches. I thought we were doomed!? :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:23 am 
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Suck it Shitmond!!!!!!!!! Sucki it!!!!!!


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