It became crazy because people read it and completely misinterpreted it. I'm not anti-pokies...the thread wasn't designed to be about that if you read my first post. I've said all I have to say - if you can't understand where i'm coming from, that's not my problem... the only thing I'd change is the thread title which was wrong. Sad that this site can no longer handle an intelligent level of debate and that dane has decided every post from me is negative. The club is not immune to criticism from its supporters. Never has been, never will be.

Both of those examples are more dramatically addressed by both government and private industry.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Well in reality it was just another thinly veiled attack on the Club by your fine self.

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dane's trolling again

You're wrong dane....that's just how you've interpreted it. But because I have disagreed with the club on certain issues before, you think everything I post is an 'attack'. And you have made it known before that you are against anyone openly criticizing the club...I hate to tell you this dane - but that's the way entities with membership work. This isn't communist China. We are allowed to voice our opinion.

must have a...sho-ort memory.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Thinly veiled personal attacks on me.

That I won't remember.

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STURDYISM!!

I don't think you understand me Doc.
What have you got against Communist China?

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dane's trolling again

Nor you me. Beer?

Dane likes his pokies ;p

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Who could blame him...

I for one am willing to help her with her pokies problem

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Meh trash

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Society's problems wont get fixed with attitudes like that

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Nor the pokie problem.

Let me know if you get tired.

Just a note the NRL would not exist in its current format if not for pokie revenue
But the Leagues clubs have gone beyond propping up the footy side to doing heaps for communities and junior development

If carlton could create a penrith panthers like club they would be well on their way (mind you they expanded so much they are in big financial trouble at the moment)

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

What percentage of pokie money goes into funding junior sport and community development?

And isn't Panthers in a world of hurt at the moment?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Kk there is no doubt the clubs put a lot back into the community
Big clubs have huge junior leagues as well soccer
Most clubs have various social groups like fishing bowling and golf or even darts
They are not all bad

And i did mention the panthers were going bad but it has been mainly due to them buying non profitable country clubs thinking that getting their pokie license would be benefical
They were booming until they went on this buying spree they have a new management team now that are turing things around

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I wasn't attacking the clubs per se, they were genuine questions. I have no doubt that the clubs do put back into the community. But how best to do that without creating an unpleasant bond between the community clubs and junior sport which then enlists the next generation to be the next lot of cash cows is the big question.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Unbelievable. I feel for the men running our club sometimes. They just can't win.

I'm recalling a recent thread relating to whether people "felt a part of the club": if you believe you are then you have a right (or responsibility?) to have some input or opinion into the decisions, brand and actions of the club, because in some way you share that representation. If "I Am Carlton" I want to know what Carlton is really about.
In this context people have a right to raise this for discussion.
And we all have a responsibility to play the ball, not the poster.