That's three times on one page you've said that.
Plus several times on other threads.

If it were relevant what happened before this year it would be worth mentioning once.

Four points are four points. You get them when you win, you don't get them when you lose. ATM we are in 4th spot on the ladder. Whom you play is of no consequence to the mathematics of it all. Part of the reason we haven't beaten any teams in the top eight is because we and others beat them so they can't get into the top eight. If everybody beat teams in the top eight, they'd be in the bottom eight.

ATM we're in the top four. You should be pleased. It beats the hell out of where we've been for the past five or six years. Well it does as far as I'm concerned but I've only been supporting them for fifty something years. Through two lean periods and the golden era. You get to take the bad with the good over that period of time as others here will agree. Take the good while you can because as sure as night follows day, it won't last and then you'll REALLY have something to be unhappy about.

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I think the falt track tag is fair, the facts are plain the gameplan / players available, are often unable to perform against quality opposition.
Betts, Garlett, Yarran don't put themselves about when they need to, rather want to spin into packs and steal it than go in an get it.
Yarran let his long haired mate take him to the cleaners, hence zero run off our half back.
Hoops gave panic handballs at least two times when about get some body contact, and I agree on the observation that his laconic pace is not doable in 2011.
Warnock would be dropped if Meese was AFL listed, hence I suspect the Carlos back next week (VFL) comment in Ratts presser.
Russell out of form for the past six weeks make him sub? how does not playing a full game help him regain confidence, yet Zac Touhy dropped.
Last week Bower played three quarters for the Ants, two as an inept winger and then a serviceable quarter as a backman that equals play him as a forward? That said I didn't think him our worst.
Does anybody think the Dogs didn't have any players without niggles? : Maybe they rested guys who couldn't execute a game plan due to fitness or form rather than patched over the cracks.
Once Jarrad went off, the amount of times we looked for targets and stopped and chipped and gave it back to them.
The defensive positioning and marking on the counter attack was staggeringly bad, the Pies will be licking their lips: Early train

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Green Shooter

Are you suggesting that we will try to rookie Nick Meese next year?
Or are you being sarcastic about Warnocks form?

(I haven't see Meese play yet, so no clue)

Meese is a short ruck and a plodder but he gives his all. I think it's a comment about work ethic.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Yep 206 just going round ATM for mine.

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Green Shooter

barely just

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Got creative on the weekend by using his leap to beat opponents but his problem is how he directs taps and how he seizes control with the pace he can use on the lead. A player has to just nudge him fairly and he will spill an overhead mark or a mark taken in front of him. It's like he has jelly for arms.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

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kindest regards tommi

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

If we're relying on Houlihan to play a significant role in two years time then we have serious issues. Not sure what the infatuation is with him especially on this forum. He was a wonderful player in his time but not in our future imo. It's also the opinion shared by Terry Wallet (make of that what you will) and other commentators on radio after the game yesterday.

Let's hope Watson and McCarthy can fill key defensive roles in the coming years and I still have confidence for Henderson and Hampson...

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I have confidence in Houlihan for next year (2012). 2013 is a bit up in the air, but we'll have new draft picks, O'Keeffe, Tuohy, Curnow, McInnes & Dylan Buckley and maybe a trade or two. You can mix things around a bit with those names.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I notice that people on this board have HUGE wraps for O'Keefe.
Didn't think he played badly on debut, but he's been in the system a few years now.

I'm just putting him in the mix as a possibility; he is a pretty mean kick of the ball.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Couldnt care less whether people think we are "flat track bullies" or not. 4 points is 4 points.

Look at Man Utd for example..Every year we lose games to either Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea ( last year all 3), but in the end Sir Alex usually comes out on top. It is Man Utd's ability to perform against everyside consistently that has won him the titles. While the other contenders (and i use the term loosely when referring to Liverpool), will continually drop points to the lesser sides, Utd keep on keeping on.

When there is a crunch game though (ie Chelsea game that decided the title) his team generally wins.

My point is, as long as we beat these teams in the finals, who cares if people regard us as Flat track bullies

Haters gonna hate..

Main difference being, we have a finals series. Based on your theory, Man Ure would be a fair chance to get knocked out of a finals series. They don't have to worry though, just need to be consistent throughout the season.

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"I had to eat"

You missed the point that i made Navy Blue..

When it is a crunch game Man Utd lift.. (as per the second last game of the season against Chelsea)

I would suggest that would be closer to a finals type game as it decided the title.

Anyway it is abbreviated as Man Utd not Man U, or Man URE as you hilariously called them. What is it with you non-Utd fans, can you not pass on any credit/admiration/respect at all?? or are you a deluded Scouser who dreams of the day you may once again be significant in the EPL??

Well I am talking this and last year

So it is very relevant mate

We have beaten one top eight team all year - Swans

Your rationale that we beat teams and therefore they are not top Eight is laughable

We're not the only team out there. Cats, Pies, West Coast, Bombers are all decent teams, hence they are in the Eight as they have won more than they have lost, but we cannot beat these teams

Get it??

Look I'm not saying it is all Ratten's fault, maybe Roos was right when he said early in year we erred at recruitment off season as we didn't recruit to fill holes in list (ie: height down back and fwd) for the NOW, ie: we didn't get any experienced height. A Gibson or Tarrant would be handy now wouldn't it??

But hey, let the TC CFC propaganda machine take over and gloss over these facts

So you're relying on the views of Terry Wallace regarding our team selection and list management??? This is the guy who said we wouldn't get near the top 8 this year ... great judge. He should stick to analysing the results of draft selections 7-8 years after the draft .. gee, tough gig there

Most media commentators see Carlton once every 4 weeks and fall into player stereotypes - Houlihan is soft and not fast enough, Gibbs should play midfield, Hampson is 'almost a star', Bower is a key position defender, Kreuzer shuld play centre forward, and it goes on ...

The reality is that people who watch Carlton every week know that Houlihan has deceptive pace and adds a lot with his skills. He's played as a tagger on the likes of Aaron Davey and Sam Fisher in the past and done a damn good job ... most recently he kept Shannon Hurn to zero influence even though we were beaten badly. Gibbs does his best work at half back rather than in the midfield (Sunday was another case in point despite his high possession count), Hampson averages less than 2 marks a game, Bower has failed numerous times in big games when one-on-one (most notably against Bradshaw in the Brisbane elimination final loss) and Kreuzer is simply not a key position forward although he can do a job resting there after playing in the ruck.

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In WADA we trust

I also think Roos erred by not acknowledging we recruited 2 potentially good young backman in Watson and McCarthy and a potentially good big forward in Mitchell. I would take those guys over trying to recycle another player from another team. Surely we have learnt from doing that. You build a good list with young talent not recyclimg throwaways. (tarrant doesn't count as he only ever had Collingwood in mind as did Gibson)

Houlihan has missed almost a year of afl footy, should be given time imo

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