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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:04 am 
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Northern Blue wrote:
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I would have given Mitch the 3 votes today with Murphy getting 2 and Judd the one... But umpires see it differently, that's why Judd will probably get 3 :lol:

Not that it really matters, lets just hope McGuire has a cry again this year.


Jamison 3, Murphy 2, Hampson 1.

Jamison did an exceptional job on Brown limited him to four kicks. Taking brown out of the contest took Brisbane out of it. Then started a lot of our run oot of the back.
Murphy is up there with Judd now. Judd still gets more hardballl slightly but Murphy's disposal is better then Judds I believe.
Hampson dominated the ruck too mark of the year contender.

Walker , Robinson and Judd not fgar behind. Thing is we are not really getting standout players it is an overall team effort. We have some depth. Have proven we can beat Geelong (despite the fact we didn't), Collingwood will be a test but we have improved quite a lot since they got us early on. Need to beat Sydney, WCE and Richmond in the next three however.

I am beginning to think it is possible in 2011. There is a bit of Hawthorn 2008 about us at the moment.[/quote]

Well done NB. I've been saying that all year...there's a lot to say about a 'sleeper'...ala Hawks 2008.
Get to the big one in October and it's a 50-50 bet from there. On our day......we will triumph.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:25 am 
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http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... 12%2C+2011

Ratten's win / loss record as Coach has managed to hit 50% for the first time.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:31 am 
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The Blueseum wrote:
http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Round+12%2C+2011

Ratten's win / loss record as Coach has managed to hit 50% for the first time.

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That is a fantastic result.
He's had to scrape and fight to get there and coming from a long way back.
Who knows? Maybe even Coach of the year in 2011.
I hope he gets to stick it right up every one of his doubters and detractors.

God, it's good to be an arrogant Bluebagger.
Bring 'em on....all of them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:59 am 
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is the 50% inclusive of those 6-7 games in 2007 where he guided us to judd and kreuzer?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:21 am 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/z ... 6074166840

Good interview with Zac's folks.

Quote:
Do you understand the game?

Mum: I do. The only thing I'm not certain about are the free kicks.

I don't think you are alone there.

Mum: Sometimes I think I get it and the kicks go the other way and I think, no, I didn't get that.


Sounds about right. Umpires :roll:

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Who did he get his talent from?

Dad: From his mother (laughing). He's got his powerful legs and thighs from his mother.

Mum: Stop it.

Dad: An Irish can insult his wife while on holidays (laughing).

And what did he get from you?

Dad: The gift of the gab.


:lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:22 am 
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The headline is a disgrace though. :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:49 am 
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The Lions were at their softest today ...


Disagree ... they led the contested ball for most of the day. Was actually surprised by their effort.

This and last week's game were the sorts of game that the Blues would lose in the past ... the maturity of this group is obvious now, they're stepping up against the big boys and getting the job done against the lesser lights.

It's in sight now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:06 pm 
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My only disappointment was the performance of Bower, I don't think he showed a great deal of confidence out there, and I think Yarran has pretty much taken on the role of run and carry out of the backline.

As for Waite, I can see him taking on Scotland's role at the moment as a link player through the wing and midfield once Scotto retires.... which might not be for a few years yet!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:46 pm 
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Do you think there is a chance Waite will come back playing CHB? We don't really have one at the moment with Bower more a half back and Watson finding his way in the reserves. Thornton, Laidler and White are more 3rd talls as well. Waite is a proven defender and it would improve our spine dramatically. I don't know how a forward line of Waite, Henderson, Walker and Kreuzer/Hampson would work.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:10 pm 
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Do you think there is a chance Waite will come back playing CHB? We don't really have one at the moment with Bower more a half back and Watson finding his way in the reserves. Thornton, Laidler and White are more 3rd talls as well. Waite is a proven defender and it would improve our spine dramatically. I don't know how a forward line of Waite, Henderson, Walker and Kreuzer/Hampson would work.


I agree the forward line can't fit everyone in but i think the backline is doing fine. The protection they are getting from the mids and forwards is top notch and that is making their job easier.
I wouldnt change it too much.

I reckon Waite, Henda and Walker have to fight it out for the two spots available. The rucks also rotating through on occasion.

Good players in good form are going to miss games due to team balance. We are going to have to accept that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:25 pm 
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Waite.............

loose man on the wing........let him command the space
between the 50 arcs.........!

ah'la Richo of three four years back when he
nearly snagged the Charlie.......!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:58 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Waite.............

loose man on the wing........let him command the space
between the 50 arcs.........!

ah'la Richo of three four years back when he
nearly snagged the Charlie.......!


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a-ha.....you read right........!


I personally dont think that will make us a better team. It will probably get us two or 3 contested marks a game on a wing but we would be sacrificing other areas of our game just to squeeze in a player.
Waite has great agility for a big man but for a regular sized onballer/wingman id say he is behind. Would he be quick enough to close down space when they have the ball? Would he have the endurance to get up and make tackle after tackle and then get to the right spot in the press? Would he be up to speed with all the setups at stoppages and be capable of pulling off what he is asked to do with covering the spread or spreading if we win it. I would prefer to see an onballer in this position doing what an onballer does and do away with the 2 or 3 contested marks a game.
An onballer type might take a couple himself.

IF we get an easy game its a tactic that is worth a look IMO but i personally cannot see it adding value to the team.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:05 pm 
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Hmmmm..........

i see your point 29...........but i don't think the wing
is all about speed like it used to be.........i mean.....
moving the ball through the middle is the fastest
way to the forward line for mine..........!

i feel Waite need space around him....you know...
to perform those things others just aren't capable of..........!

i really like Hendo at CHF.........this is why i'm looking
for alternatives for Mr Waite........!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:30 pm 
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Haha Sorry about that.

That last post of yours just wasnt you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:34 pm 
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Woop WOOP WOOP..........!


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phewww...........!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:39 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Hmmmm..........

i see your point 29...........but i don't think the wing
is all about speed like it used to be.........i mean.....
moving the ball through the middle is the fastest
way to the forward line for mine..........!

i feel Waite need space around him....you know...
to perform those things others just aren't capable of..........!

i really like Hendo at CHF.........this is why i'm looking
for alternatives for Mr Waite........!


kindest regards tommi









also..........stop making me try to make sense..........!





diz-zeee..........!


ok who are you and what have you done with tommi ?


in this minority climate, I'm all about compromise :wink:

so how about Hendo to CHB - Waite to CHF ?


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Woahh...........

that's just KOOKY talk Rex...........!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:51 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Hmmmm..........

i see your point 29...........but i don't think the wing
is all about speed like it used to be.........i mean.....
moving the ball through the middle is the fastest
way to the forward line for mine..........!

i feel Waite need space around him....you know...
to perform those things others just aren't capable of..........!

i really like Hendo at CHF.........this is why i'm looking
for alternatives for Mr Waite........!


kindest regards tommi









also..........stop making me try to make sense..........!





diz-zeee..........!


Hey club 29...take a listen carefully to this from tommi.

He's giving you an insight to the inner workings of a master tactician.

I think you are dead right tommi.

Club 29, I think you are being too bias with your attempt to discredit the possibbility of Waite on a wing.
I don't agree with you, but each to their own.

There's been plenty of debate and agreement over the last 3 years regarding the possibility/ luxury of having Walker and Waite play on either wing. So its not something new.

There's 2 different kind of marks a small wingman and a KP high flying mark like Waite would take at critical times across the midfield.
In your argument you make the 2 the same. The lead up mark anyone could take. Agreed.
If you value contested marks, you'd show some virtues in Waite's marking in the midfield, in a tight game where as usual teams find it hard to move the ball pat their HF line. Have a look at Hawks and Cats on Friday. It's all about finals footy.

In addition, I don't think you recognise how fast Waite really is.
We all know (or should know) he has great endurance, so could play wing just about the whole game, (and has) but I'm talking genuine speed. He's got it.

Why drop Henderson or Waite just because we can't fit them all in the forwardline. Ratts disagrees with that summation by the way. Have a look at Effes signature he quotes Ratts. He reminds us of that Ratts is quoted saying all 4 marking players in the forwardline (Kreuzer, Waite, Henderson and Walker) are a possibility.

The MCG is a really big ground, and there's plenty of room for really quick mobile marking players. We have plenty of those.

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Thought we we looked so much better with a strong power marking forward when Hendo, Kruezer or both were up forward. Ratts rotated the forward line between that set up and one with Hendo at CHF and Walker at FF to rest Kruezer or Hammer and throw the Lions defence out.

The issue about having Waite there he plays a similar role to Walker as he is someone who leads and marks and is more of an athlete than a standing key position player. With the press/zone you sometimes need to be able to go long to a contest. Hendo or Kruezer provided that and as such bring Garlett and Betts more into play.

With posession football now somone like Waite will provide a different option through the midfield and also provides us with flexibility to be able to go back or forward if needed. This also allows us to play a mid as sub with no worries if a tall goes down.

Come finals time these are huge advantages. Imagine being opposition coach trying to match up on Waite, Judd, Murphy, Curnow, Ellard, Simpson, Robbo etc.

I also believe Waite will thrive on the freedom.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:05 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Woahh...........

that's just KOOKY talk Rex...........!


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