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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:49 pm 
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Pros; Improvement across the board is obvious. Players belief in each other is the biggest improvement I noticed last night.

Cons; At crucial times a couple were still selective in their desire to get their hands on the ball first, thereby dictating the outcome of the contest. Instead they stood back preferring to lay a tackle on the ball winner and as a result the opponent got rid of the ball and goals were scored.
We have 3 we need to move out and 3 better options to bring in that should just about round us out a real contender (if we play with the same commitment and attitude in the future).

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I was going to mention this but thought I'd get howled down.....yes Cazz.....it was obvious a few times, where one or two of ours would pull up as though shot....preferring to try to tackle the player who had the balls to go in to get the ball......not a good look at all.

This is something that Robbo and Duigan don't do.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:20 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pros; Improvement across the board is obvious. Players belief in each other is the biggest improvement I noticed last night.

Cons; At crucial times a couple were still selective in their desire to get their hands on the ball first, thereby dictating the outcome of the contest. Instead they stood back preferring to lay a tackle on the ball winner and as a result the opponent got rid of the ball and goals were scored.

We have 3 we need to move out and 3 better options to bring in that should just about round us out a real contender (if we play with the same commitment and attitude in the future).

Regards Cazzesman



Spot on! totally agree with you. There were too much hesitations. Players don't always go for the ball, they choose to stand back and wait. Russell, Carrazo, and O'hAlipin are the big culprits. Especially Russell in the backline.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:26 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pros; Improvement across the board is obvious. Players belief in each other is the biggest improvement I noticed last night.

Cons; At crucial times a couple were still selective in their desire to get their hands on the ball first, thereby dictating the outcome of the contest. Instead they stood back preferring to lay a tackle on the ball winner and as a result the opponent got rid of the ball and goals were scored.
We have 3 we need to move out and 3 better options to bring in that should just about round us out a real contender (if we play with the same commitment and attitude in the future).

Regards Cazzesman


I was going to mention this but thought I'd get howled down.....yes Cazz.....it was obvious a few times, where one or two of ours would pull up as though shot....preferring to try to tackle the player who had the balls to go in to get the ball......not a good look at all.

This is something that Robbo and Duigan don't do.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:32 pm 
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We should have pulled him off then and there.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:33 pm 
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Shirley Bassey?..........George Best?.......how many names do you want?

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:57 pm 
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i saw gibbs and judd both do it once each, looked like they were about to bounce on the ball but they backed off and waited for other player to grab 1st and then go the tackle. sometimes its a good option.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:32 pm 
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Watch the replay and they stand out. No use looking like Tarzan if you want to play like Jane when it doesn't suit. No Passengers and no Selective efforts. Run Hard, Run Straight and get the ball first whenever you can. It's a simple rule of the game. This club will never go all the way forward with players who decide to 'wait and see'. The attack has to be fearless and uncompromising at every contest and for every gut run to get back and support.

I loved the teams efforts last night but geezzzzz I really got bent out of shape (as Mrs Caz will agree :oops: ) when some attitudes were not what they should have been. There wasn't alot (maybe that's why they stood out to me) but it's just not on in CFC circa 2011 and beyond. This club has a huge opportunity this year to regain that lost respect we all crave. Guys like Robbo and Simmo and Scotto lead the way and every other player has to watch and follow their example.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:37 pm 
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how can it be in the back when Selwood ended up on his back...



Well clearly the ground pushed his back (& got him high)

Free to Selwood.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:46 pm 
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Gibbs was great. You are DELUSIONAL. But then it's not your fault. Gibbs has this 'Simon the likeable charm' about him that casts a spell on many a Carlton supporter. Unfortunately, you're just another one who is yields to the sparkle in his eye. Run through the whole year's PROs and CONs and media awards/votes. Gibbs has been in the main pretty average since the start of last year.
But hang on there's more - you'll probably say "what do the media know anyway"

Cotchin and Martin are better prospects than Gibbs

I'd ask you to take a deep breath but you may just inhale more "Eau de Bryce" and believe he'll actually come close to a Brownlow one day.

Run a line through my opinion on Bryce this season, and you'll find I was asking questions of him even after the Sydney game. He's stepped up since then and last night he was aiding us in midfield, up forward and then in shutting down Johnson in defence.

Johnson got one goal on him, and about 3 touches, after a half where he secured 14 touches and two goals. That spud had a day out on his midfield opponent (not Russell, who had him when forward), who kept getting thrown everywhere during all of it.

Gibbs in defence thwarted attacks as third man up, as the link man out and pushing right up delivering around CHF. Nobody else holds your view this week, which doesn't really fit the idea that I'm being delusional.

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:04 pm 
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I'll name one name as soft, as weak and as a Con:

EddieBetts.

Fumbling, away from contact, not head over the ball, wanting others to do the hard work on too many occasions.

Yes you have some very good attributes but we need all 22 on the ball to defeat the top teams.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:16 pm 
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Who are you referring to re - waiting for opponent to take possession / not going in hard?

It's ok guys, you aren't an ex player on the radio. No reason to be coy.

I saw Carrazzo wait for his opponent to take possession on the side of the centre square. He won a HTB free.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:43 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Gibbs was great. You are DELUSIONAL. But then it's not your fault. Gibbs has this 'Simon the likeable charm' about him that casts a spell on many a Carlton supporter. Unfortunately, you're just another one who is yields to the sparkle in his eye. Run through the whole year's PROs and CONs and media awards/votes. Gibbs has been in the main pretty average since the start of last year.
But hang on there's more - you'll probably say "what do the media know anyway"

Cotchin and Martin are better prospects than Gibbs
I'd ask you to take a deep breath but you may just inhale more "Eau de Bryce" and believe he'll actually come close to a Brownlow one day.


I am not sure why that bothers you so much. THere are always going to be players that are better or worse. These two are different sort of players anyway so there is no need to compare. I cant see Cotchin stitching up Goodes or Goddard for that matter. I dont think i will ever see players bounce of Gibbs like they do the bull Martin.

As long as Gibbs uses his versatility to do roles for the team i am happy. So far this season he has claimed some big scalps and only had a game or two where he was below par. Its all about team and he is an important cog in the blues machine.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:21 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Gibbs was great. You are DELUSIONAL. But then it's not your fault. Gibbs has this 'Simon the likeable charm' about him that casts a spell on many a Carlton supporter. Unfortunately, you're just another one who is yields to the sparkle in his eye. Run through the whole year's PROs and CONs and media awards/votes. Gibbs has been in the main pretty average since the start of last year.
But hang on there's more - you'll probably say "what do the media know anyway"

Cotchin and Martin are better prospects than Gibbs

I'd ask you to take a deep breath but you may just inhale more "Eau de Bryce" and believe he'll actually come close to a Brownlow one day.

Run a line through my opinion on Bryce this season, and you'll find I was asking questions of him even after the Sydney game. He's stepped up since then and last night he was aiding us in midfield, up forward and then in shutting down Johnson in defence.

Johnson got one goal on him, and about 3 touches, after a half where he secured 14 touches and two goals. That spud had a day out on his midfield opponent (not Russell, who had him when forward), who kept getting thrown everywhere during all of it.

Gibbs in defence thwarted attacks as third man up, as the link man out and pushing right up delivering around CHF. Nobody else holds your view this week, which doesn't really fit the idea that I'm being delusional.


Look Jimmae. Maybe I mark him hard. But my beef with Gibbs is that unless he has a specific role, his impact isn't what is expected from a perceived elite player. I look at players like Judd, Murph, Simmo and Garlett, and while their instructions may be a little more fluid, they make things happen. I want to see Gibbs do that. He is not in the side just to be a good stopper. He must build a proactive element into his game. That's where the elite players are different. That's why we go to the games...to see someone go above and beyond. And he can physically. Don't know whether he can mentally. I see a bit of Brendon Goddard in Gibbs. BG took about 5-6 years before people took notice. I hope the penny drops soon for Gibbs

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:29 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
jimmae wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Gibbs was great. You are DELUSIONAL. But then it's not your fault. Gibbs has this 'Simon the likeable charm' about him that casts a spell on many a Carlton supporter. Unfortunately, you're just another one who is yields to the sparkle in his eye. Run through the whole year's PROs and CONs and media awards/votes. Gibbs has been in the main pretty average since the start of last year.
But hang on there's more - you'll probably say "what do the media know anyway"

Cotchin and Martin are better prospects than Gibbs

I'd ask you to take a deep breath but you may just inhale more "Eau de Bryce" and believe he'll actually come close to a Brownlow one day.

Run a line through my opinion on Bryce this season, and you'll find I was asking questions of him even after the Sydney game. He's stepped up since then and last night he was aiding us in midfield, up forward and then in shutting down Johnson in defence.

Johnson got one goal on him, and about 3 touches, after a half where he secured 14 touches and two goals. That spud had a day out on his midfield opponent (not Russell, who had him when forward), who kept getting thrown everywhere during all of it.

Gibbs in defence thwarted attacks as third man up, as the link man out and pushing right up delivering around CHF. Nobody else holds your view this week, which doesn't really fit the idea that I'm being delusional.


Look Jimmae. Maybe I mark him hard. But my beef with Gibbs is that unless he has a specific role, his impact isn't what is expected from a perceived elite player. I look at players like Judd, Murph, Simmo and Garlett, and while their instructions may be a little more fluid, they make things happen. I want to see Gibbs do that. He is not in the side just to be a good stopper. He must build a proactive element into his game. That's where the elite players are different. That's why we go to the games...to see someone go above and beyond. And he can physically. Don't know whether he can mentally. I see a bit of Brendon Goddard in Gibbs. BG took about 5-6 years before people took notice. I hope the penny drops soon for Gibbs


Gibbs is capable of being an elite player, not just a quality role player. It's nice to know he can do these defensive roles but he can be better. I'm happy he's back to being a productive member of the team, but I hope he knows he has more to offer.

In my view he's rebuilding his confidence which was shot 5 weeks ago.


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Breach of rule 2.1 - grabbing Joel Selwood too high

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PROs

- All the good things that happened.


CONs

- All the bad things.

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Breach of rule 2.1 - grabbing Joel Selwood too high

:lol: :lol: :clap: :lol:

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Scotland's great game

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Scotland not coralling Chapman round on to his left foot for their last goal. Seriously, there was never a snowflake's chance in hell he was going to wheel around on to his left so why Heath bought it I'll never know.

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I'll name one name as soft, as weak and as a Con:

EddieBetts.

Fumbling, away from contact, not head over the ball, wanting others to do the hard work on too many occasions.

Yes you have some very good attributes but we need all 22 on the ball to defeat the top teams.


Amen! I've been saying this for a couple of years now - a real bad habit has crept into Eddie's game where he has the ball spent before he even gets it. Tries to do the flashy/impossible all too often. Good for an easy goal in the first few minutes of most games but then goes missing. Played ok in Sydney.

I reckon he has ADHD. His sets shots on goal are text book on how NOT to line up. Eyes darting around for other options, rushed, twirling the ball, rambling run up, etc.

Further proof that he isn't committed was caught on audio during last Fri night's game when he joked with the umpire - free went to another CFC player but Eddie asked if he "... could have the kick anyway". Joking around with the umpire?!? Maybe if we're 20 goals in front. Maybe.

C'mon Eddie - read this year's slogan.

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