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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:11 pm 
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Brock McLean in line for Blues call-up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brock-mclean-in-line-for-blues-call-up/story-e6frf9jf-1226044929439

If he comes in which midfielder goes out? They are all in pretty good shape right now?


Carrazzo IMHO.


Robinson will be the player omitted if Mclean comes into the side.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:08 pm 
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To start off I think the following are in contention for a recall (in order):

Armfield, Lucas, McLean, Thornton, Watson, Kerr

And the following are in contention for the chop (in order):

Joseph, Betts, Russell, Carrazzo, Gibbs, White, Hampson

I think the Swans will drop Sam Reid, and I'm unsure as to whether they will replace him with a tall or a small. They're fine up forward and in defence, but they may opt for a second ruckman and have Jesse White permanently in the forward 50.

LRT is in no danger of coming into the side, Pyke and Seaby are both a chance, while I'm unsure on the status of Lewis Johnston and Spangher.

With that in mind, I don't think that Sydney are going to be able to stretch us, and if they do it'll cost them elsewhere. On that logic, White stays in the team ahead of Watson. At the other end, Hampson has a huge opportunity to stretch them in their similarly short defence, provided he times his run at the ball effectively when leading. I think Walker will cause problems for anyone of Mattner, Kennelly and Richards, so he can effectively play as a tall in this line-up. Ditto Waite, who will probably be manned by Grundy if he's not on Hampson. With all of that in mind, you can put a line through Thornton for this week.

Through midfield, marking ability will come to the fore in the shoebox that is the SCG, as well as a propensity for quick hands and clean kicks over 25-40 m. Physical strength to compete with the Swans midfield is a plus, but I think the aforementioned criteria are more important. That makes Gibbs & Russell safe, puts Carrazzo & Joseph in the firing line, and brings Lucas right up the ranks. It also encourages us to release Murphy, Robinson, Judd & Scotland into more open midfield roles, bringing McLean into the mix.

Finally, I think Eddie's performance, while good, simply isn't good enough when we're crying out for play through midfield. Garlett made it all the way down to the defensive 50 at times against Adelaide, and has shown a willingness to push down to HB with regularity. Betts has barely made it past the wing in many games, and has got himself in marking contests at HB when he has.

I'm not saying we need small forwards who can double as wingman, but they need to take their turn in supporting the midfield as well as providing frontal pressure, and I don't think Eddie was up to scratch in that department. I think you can see the holes in his performance statistically:

5 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 inside 50s, 7 tackles, zero 1%ers, 7 contested possessions, 1 clearance, 1 free awarded (1 against), 3 marks, zero bounces, zero goal assists.

To me that says Eddie didn't play at stoppages except in the forward 50, didn't link up particularly much through midfield, didn't apply that much pressure on the oppositions run with his tackling, and work hard enough to get a break from his opponent in the middle in order to open up the game with some run and carry. It says he worked to be at the fall of the ball, but couldn't break away, resulting in a bunch of possessions in the clinches that fizzled into hot handpasses to team mates.

Compare that to Jeff:

9 kicks, 4 handpasses, 4 inside 50s, 1 rebound 50, 7 tackles, 2 1%ers, 6 contested possessions, zero clearances, 1 free awarded (2 against), 3 marks (1 inside 50), 1 goal, 2 behinds, 1 bounce, 1 goal assist.

More run, more aiding his team mates, more work through midfield and more chances on the scoreboard, without missing out on frontal pressure. All that, and in less possession of the ball.

My personal conclusion? Eddie is now regularly second to the football, or at least as his opponent directly on his tether. That's not good enough, and I think we should seriously look at Armfield to come in, provide the pressure, and apply himself as a midfield option when required. That also opens up an avenue for midfielders to rotate through the forward line.

In conclusion:

Out: Betts, Carrazzo, Joseph
In: Armfield, McLean, Lucas

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:45 pm 
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Well Jimmae, you have surprised me. Great read and well thought out points. As I have stated I disagree about Hampson but the rest makes sense.

One little point, no way Kerr is in line for selection. Way off at the moment. Talented but work rate and defensive side concern MC.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:18 pm 
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One little point, no way Kerr is in line for selection. Way off at the moment. Talented but work rate and defensive side concern MC.
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Watching him on the weekend, he had his best game since coming to the CFC; pushed hard up to HB as an option, and got in plenty of quality tackles versus a hard-running Port Melbourne team. That plus his stronger body, decent overhead skills and sublime footskills put him thereabouts as an option up forward.

Behind a bit in the queue, but ahead of names like Davies, McInnes, McCarthy and O'hAilpin, who are the remaining fit senior listed players.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:05 pm 
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there will be one change - Yarren out- Maclean in

Maclean into the midfield - Gibbs into the Half back role that Yarren was doing - He will be the link man to bring it out

Maclean in the middle will mean Murphy and Judd can play more an outside role

If Lucas comes in he will be the sub and Joseph will go out

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:12 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
there will be one change - Yarren out- Maclean in

Maclean into the midfield - Gibbs into the Half back role that Yarren was doing - He will be the link man to bring it out

Maclean in the middle will mean Murphy and Judd can play more an outside role

If Lucas comes in he will be the sub and Joseph will go out


Yep, but who takes Goodes in the midfield? Does Gibbs follow him in?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:56 pm 
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..would keep the Hammer in.. ..his ruck work is decent, and now with all the zoming and shite, the ability to generate quick clearances all game is crucial, having 2 bonafide rucks aids greatly in this measure.. ..al,so, i'd lean towards perhaps leading with Hammer in the ruck and Knockers at FF initially..

..i understand the theory behind brock maybe coming in, but i dont think hes ready yet.. ..sure, swans at scg suit his game, but if he's not ready you dont rush him in just cos it is swans at scg.. ..also, i dont think we're getting cleaned up in the contested ball department anyways, so we're not dieing for his sort like we were early last year..

..would like Army in, question marks over Yaz's hammy..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:02 pm 
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Have to cover the usual suspects: Goodes, Mumford,O'Keefe, White & Shaw.

Don't be surprised if one game wonder Dennis-Lane returns for a cameo & Kennelly comes back from injury after a few games in their magoos to haunt us

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:05 pm 
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With a 6 day turn around I would very surprised to see Yazz in the team.

IN: Lucas

OUT: Yarran

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:08 pm 
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ratten on tv tonight said mclean would prob play if yarran did not get up.
i would like too see lucas come in if yarran does not get up.
playing on the SCG, do we need a second ruck this week? maybe we play hampson as the sub?
i would like too see something like this,
duigan jamison laidler
russell white lucas
simpson gibbs scotland
gartlett waite murphy
robinson walker betts

warnock judd curnow
carrazzo ellard watson sub;hampson

out's; yarran[inj] joseph
in's; lucas watson

like the idea of lucas playing off half back.
i believe watson should play, can drop back and help out our small defence, plus he can do the kick in's, could play as loose man?
henderson needs another game or two for the ants, poor bloke had three guys on him for most of the game.
with hampson being the sub, we have the option of using him if needed at any stage.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:21 pm 
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You don't go making wholesale changes to a side that showed fantastic grit to come back and win when all seemed lost.

McLean for Yarran if he doesn't come up would be the only likely change. We have no choice but to stick with Hammer for the time being. As much as I like Army's endeavour he's no replacement for Eddie, he's a pretty poor kick. If the reason for dropping Eddie is lack of goals kicked Army won't fill the role.


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Does anyone know if they are having a training session on the SCG on thursday and if so what time

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Lucas is not ready on current form.


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"Defender Paul Bower, dogged by a thigh ailment last year, suffered a recurrence of the injury in the VFL."

whoa,,,,,lucky Bower isnt a race horse !!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:07 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Does anyone know if they are having a training session on the SCG on thursday and if so what time



http://www.carltonfc.com.au/training/ta ... fault.aspx


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Thursday 28th April – approx 5:30pm at the SCG

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chubbyruss wrote:
Have to cover the usual suspects: Goodes, Mumford,O'Keefe, White & Shaw.

Don't be surprised if one game wonder Dennis-Lane returns for a cameo & Kennelly comes back from injury after a few games in their magoos to haunt us



Everyone keeps forgetting Jude Bolton, this bloke is playing very well and has been superb so far this season. Its about winning the contested ball, if we dont beat them there we are no chance of winning. And my honest feeling is we wont

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CK95 wrote:
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Does anyone know if they are having a training session on the SCG on thursday and if so what time



http://www.carltonfc.com.au/training/ta ... fault.aspx


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Thursday 28th April – approx 5:30pm at the SCG



thats a shit of a time - dont know if I can make that

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You don't play two ruckmen on the SCG. It doesn't make sense. Simple as that.

Longmire pretty much alluded to that in his presser also.

Why would you drop Joseph after a quarter of a game, let alone bring him in for one in the first place?

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Its about winning the contested ball, if we dont beat them there we are no chance of winning. And my honest feeling is we wont



That's a good sign :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:03 am 
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You don't play two ruckmen on the SCG. It doesn't make sense. Simple as that.

Mumford will get pantsed if we go for two ruckmen, and their backline is as short as ours so they'll have an easy time marking the ball.

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Longmire pretty much alluded to that in his presser also.

I think he's just crossing his fingers in hope. :lol:

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Why would you drop Joseph after a quarter of a game, let alone bring him in for one in the first place?

I explained my methodology, though I doubt they will follow through exactly as I called it. It may be Robinson and Yarran instead of Joseph and Carrazzo.

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