Maclean will prove you all wrong next year

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WTF is his argument?? I have no idea. It's just a bunch of numbers and a bunch of names. No context, no quotes, no conclusions. Rubbish.

Here's mine.

1979
Jesaulenko
1993
Williams
2000
Kouta
2005
Murphy
Judd
2006
Gibbs

Makes as much sense!

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I must be missing something. In a year of consolidating with all and sundry (and plenty on TC) predicting a finish around 10th to be likely, we managed to get into the finals (and should have won at least one final) despite having Judd miss the first 3 games, Murph having a limited pre-season, Bower's on-going injury issues and Kreuz going down mid-year, plus we were able to get some quality development into Hendo, Yarran, Garlett, Lucas, Davies and Warnock. Now a few fringe players want to find new homes and half the members of TC go into meltdown. People are seriously losing their shit on here. I just don' get it. Now all of you scream that I have rose-coloured glasses on and am not facing reality.

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And don't forget 2009 was the year of the GIBBINS!

These player movements are nothing to worry about.

The deals that will be struck will prove to be sufficient compensation for us.

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Thanks for the heads up Blueman.

lol, its the nature of internet forums.

half of us think its a good situation for the club to be in, removing those that dont want to be here/arent prepared to work for it and bolstering the squad with younger players or with draft picks with huge potential (im one of these people) vs those that think, that the club is in trouble and stinking to high heaven with fringe players wanting to leave.

what can you do? i personally enjoy the two sides of the debate, as most do bring up relevant opinions and thoughts.

the thing for me, which carlton really needs to build on is consistency. russell become alot more consistent, armfield in his application became alot more consistent etc.. it is no surprise to me, that those who are wanting to look elsewhere, are those that should/could be in our starting 22, but arent anywhere near consistent enough (the exception being jacobs)

IMO, this entire thing is only a sign that carlton is starting to demand that consistency that is expected, and ended demanded of players to win premierships.

love them, or hate them, the one thing collingwood was this year, was consistent. im not saying collingwood, as a club is the answer, nor is their style of play, or their coach etc.. but they bring one thing to the game, and have dont it consitantly all year, and that is their effort for their game plan, from start to finish. there was no fade outs, no lazy quarters. they where consistent nearly every quarter of football they play.

that is carltons next step. to perform at a high level, consistantly!! do that, and i think carlton will improve dramatically. the players we are losing, arent consistant enough.

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I've said it all along as well, McLean is very good footballer who complements our players. Walker, Murphy, Simpson & Judd will love this guy when he is up and running. You'll see.

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Im just really concerned about Brock's body holding up. If he can get it right, I also think he will be an important acquisition. Not worthy of a pick 11, but still important.

I'm with you on this

Built for finals football is Brock, just ease him through each year ready to peak come finals.

the B.Ottens tradining regime?

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Bower still has to fill out his frame and makes excellent decisions despite his willingness to run and bounce, poor skill by hand and ungainly looking kick action. He hits targets, and when he gets the ball it gets up the field. Pay more attention.

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An interesting exercise is:

Which of our players can you say with confidence now would at least pull their weight in a Grand Final?

IMO you could start with Juddy, Murph, Gibbs, Special K, Scotto, Army, JR, Lucas, Simmo, Hendo....

and Darey, Toohey and Donaldson, yeah Donaldson.

There are others.

Some say Sauce is a workhorse and he's turned into a pretty reliable one at that. He would have given Jolly a run for his money. Sadly it is now a part of his trade value.

Comments?

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No way. Has been our senior player in 2 finals now, and done nothing in both.

Has played more defensively in both. May not be a natural defender, but does a job wherever you put him; regularly sacrifices his game and has that ability to push himself further when the chips are down. Definitely the type of player you want in the mix.

Waite, Garlett, Simmo, Walker, Bower, Jamo & AJ. All of those blokes, despite their faults would give 100% when it's all on the line. Their intensity and/or willingness to push themselves is of the level required.

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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

You're not passionate enough.

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You must be a real estate agent J. Sorry, no can buy your spin

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Nice analysis Humpers. Obviously we need to be good at selecting raw talent that has the potential to be developed. The above would suggest we have been OK. The key issue for me is how well we develop mid to late range picks and rookies so that they turn into the type of very good to excellent players that can play in a premiership side, as Collingwood have done. This is not just about beefing them up in the weight room, getting them fitter, and working on their basic skills. It is about nurturing a sense of self belief and confidence and drilling them once, twice, and a hundred times in the essence of an effective game plan so that they can execute under pressure in a big game environment.

Top line assistants are crucial in game plan development and maximising the development of mid range talent. Along with the head coach they are also crucial in what Grant Thomas has called "man management" . One thing that concerns me about the possible loss of the fringe players above is that they may not have been nurtured and rewarded effectively enough to keep them believing that they are a crucial part of our team plans, that they will be given opportunity, and that they are part of our best 22 as we move towards out 17th premiership. (Obviously this is pure speculation on my part but worth the question). Surely a strong club on the rise can convince our top 30 players that they are very much part of the vision. Great teams need great depth and players who want to stay despite being on the fringe.

Nothing of the sort. The stats back me up:

- 85% disposal efficiency, which would be bloody close to a team high.
- Averages 2.6 turnovers per game, which is the 3rd best figure at the club this season.
- Averages 0.8 skill errors; team best.
- Averages 0.8 critical errors, putting him in the top 15% for that statistic.
- Averages 0.3 kicks direct to an opponent; 3rd best figure at the club.
- Mid-table at the club for scoring involvements per game, yet top 10 for starting chains of possession which lead to goals per game
- 2nd at the club and 18th in the league for run and bounce movements per game.
- Top 5 at the club for 1%ers, which reflects that he gets plenty of spoils in and his tackles are generally effective (around 75% which is quite high)

I don't need to be any kind of a salesman to sell Bower; he sells himself. You sell him short.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.