We reverted back to our static style of play when we were under tackling pressure early...very immature response from a group that should be far more advanced at handling this type of pressure by now..this was the biggest con because in all seriousness we were gone by quarter time..well b4 anyone got injured..

Every time we had the ball in the back half going forward we did have at least two players who would go into the corridor but we never ever look down the spine we ALWAYS look to the boundary...reckon Thornton being back the last couple of weeks has had the boys in a time warp back to days gone by...it was laughable how many times we made very basic errors in our decision making...yes pressure can cause this sometimes but not every single time..esp when players have ample time to sum up a situation..

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Agree J&K. I reckon we got hunted this week. Clarkson would have looked at the blues and said how can we stop them playing the way they want to - Beat them for intensity around the packs and test their physicallity as they are young and bit soft - Win clearances -Press up hard when they have it in the backline and get our zone in place quick - shape the zone to crowd the corridor.

They did all that and got the result.

Amazed me how little space there was for run throughout the first half in particular.

They rarely allowed us to switch flanks for a fast break up the opposite wing, and also owned the corridor.

That said, it could have been a much different result had we exerted scoreboard pressure when we had the chance. Eddie's first miss in the 3rd was a momentum killer, and the immediate movement into their forward line for a goal was diabolical. Then Setanta's attempted play on just sapped any hope we had for rolling them in the last. Kick those goals, especially Eddie's, the ball goes back to the centre and we were starting to win those by that time...who knows.

Ratt's was right though. We didn't deserve the win, so if we got it we may have lost the opportunity to learn something that the loss will necessitate.

I think you're right Blue Steel.

Amazing how they penned us in. Like you hope, I hope they learn something from trying to unravel what we should do when that happens next time.

We are learning whilst we're young...and from the best tactics imaginable at the highest level in the country.

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I too suffered these idiots again as i always stand near Aisle 37 with a group of mates. The same moronic chants weren`t funny 3 years ago.
One of their group quite proudly told me that the American Indian holler they call out when Lewis gets the ball is in reference to him allegedly threatening someone with a Tomahawk back home in his junior days. Classy stuff.

Pros:

Sauce's best game at senior level. Same with Ando. Got to be good for their confidence, and for our senior depth.
Kreuzer's marking seems to have returned.
Simmo and Scotland. Although Scotland didn't kick the ball as well as normal.
Joseph.
Robbo.
Jamison. Despite the fact that Buddy kicked a bag of goals out of his backside.
Despite the scoreline, I didn't think we gave up.

Cons:

Looked like we were dominated in centre square clearances in the first half.
Looked like they outran us. Always had extra numbers in defence, and were running into space, in contrast to us.
Our goalkicking.
Too many passengers on the day.
More injuries.

Con:

Almost all of the top articles on the Carlton page of the Herald Sun's website are actually about Hawthorn.

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Typical arrogant response from you

I didnt see the game but a 50 point loss to a team who have been struggling shows that some of the players have tickets on themselves

yep we struggled with injuries but

certain players dont come to play every week because they think they are better than what they are
No suprise that Jacobs, Robinson,Henderson played really well looking at the stats because they know they are close to the selectors knife

Some of the players arrogance is on a par with yours

Posting like you know what is going on in players minds reeks of arrogance also dont you think?

No it doesnt
wear not as bad as say Port are when it comes to an inconsistent attitude in regards to intensity.
But the tigers win yesteray shows you have to front up to win every week.
Some of our players have an inconsitent approach to the game when it comes to intensity.
Thats obvious

Yeah but that doesnt mean you can just come out with statements like "certain players think they are better than what they are". It might appear that way to you but that doesnt make it fact. To me that sounds like an arrogant statement that when used in a post calling others arrogant seems a little contradictory.

I agree we are an inconsitant side and it is very annoying. We need to bring the effort each week or else we will cop a grilling fom Blue4.

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Thought I would actually put that in Brad to promote that response
We lost a game to a poorly peformed team by 50 points

I have actually watched about every other game in the past decade so I reckon I can say that some of our players think they are better than they actually are.

If i said that Collingwood wont win a flag with softies like Thomas, Didak and Cloke in the side you would probably agree with me because its the enemy

Some pretty touchy posters on here

And Club 29 we have some guys who just turn up some weeks
And that is arrogance no matter what spin you put on it.

I don't think you can blame individuals for the mental side of the game, the vibe comes from the group before you step across the white line. Anyone who has played ANY sport at a senior level can tell you if a team is switched on in the change rooms. It's up to our leaders to get the group focused and switched on before a game, including the warm ups on the ground. You could tell sitting the Grand Stand the Hawks were on before last weeks game, they warmed up with purpose and intent, very rarely fumbled and clean skills, from the limited time I watched us at the other end it seemed sub-standard in comparison.

You can't afford to have tickets on yourself in this game or you'll be smashed pretty quickly by the opposition and supporters. I would like to hear names however?

no, your spin is that they are arrogant.

They may be
they may not be
but there are plenty of 'could be's' of which arrogance is but one - highlighting, it could be said, the mindset of the poster ( frustrated, angry, not happy with their lot?) not the players.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Haven't seen you in a month mate.
Surprisingly only came back after a loss.
Good to see you back to support the team.

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Been in WA
Coming from Geelong I have to say Geelong supporters far outweigh the stupidity and total bias way of thinking of Dockers and even Eagles supporters.

great place to see
Lovely friendly people
Bit like the people that write on this site
Anyway hope we beat the Wet toast today although expect the opposite



And Danny

We have some players who have pretensions to superior importance in relation to their football

Thought you would appreciate the English there

If he's not as good as he thinks he is, should he have had 55 possessions and 3 goals?

EFA

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